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Timeline of the Antichrist and his church!
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martus
2007-07-27 04:10:44 UTC
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If he became king, Charles would be the supreme governor of the
Anglican Church of England and some Anglicans remain opposed to the
remarriage of divorcees. (Queen is now)

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Prince Charles flies back into vortex of scandal


John Arlidge and Jessica Hodgson
Sunday November 9, 2003
The Observer


Prince Charles flies back to Britain today after his two-week tour of
India and the Middle East as the scandal over allegations of a sexual
incident involving him and a royal servant(male) reaches new heights.


Internet sites in Europe and the US yesterday published lurid details
of the alleged incident while British newspapers, gagged by a court
injunction, subjected the prince to the worst criticism he has faced.
Clarence House was bracing itself for fresh revelations in today's
newspapers.

Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF
WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
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Britain to give gay couples equal rights

LONDON, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Next week's Queen's Speech to be read in
British parliament will suggest same-sex couples be given the same
rights as married couples, a report said Monday.


In what amounts to legal recognition of "gay marriage," thousands of
gay couples will be able to register their partnerships and benefit
from inheritance, tax and next-of-kin rights, the Times of London
reported.
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Church releases sexuality guide
From correspondents in London
05nov03

THE Church of England overnight urged a full debate on the issue of
homosexuality, publishing a guide designed to foster unbiased
communication on the contentious issue.


Published by the Church of England House of Bishops, it comes just
two
days after the consecration of Canon Gene Robinson, an openly gay
man,
as Bishop of New Hampshire. His elevation by the Episcopal Church,
the
US branch of Anglicanism, has threatened to split the 77 million
strong worldwide Anglican Communion.
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In the book " FREEMASONRY AND THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT" - 81 quotes from
Masonic books prove the connections with the New Age.


New Age Leader Benjamin Creme is quoted as saying "That Masonic
Lodges
Will Be Used for New Age Initiation".


This information is important because it shows his masonic connection
and when he stated


"Maitreya descended in July 1977 from His ancient retreat in the
Himalayas and took up residence in the Indian-Pakistani community of
London. He has been living and working there, seemingly as an
ordinary
man, His true status known to relatively few. He has been emerging
gradually into full public view so as not to infringe humanity's free
will."


And in a previous article in this run of articles called "Charles
promotes occultic healing!", it is ALSO in 1977 that Charles had this
spiritual experience (possession) and who is the top dogs of the
Freemasons if not the royalty.


"It is not generally known that in 1977 Prince Charles went on a
journey of spiritual discovery into the wilderness of northern Kenya
with the man who was to become his spiritual mentor, Laurens van der
Post, founder of the Wilderness Foundation. This organisation
specialises in exposing top people to life in the wild with the aim
of
re-tuning the Western mind set, to liberate its more primitive
intuitive side."


The Maitreya and Prince Charles are one and the same. At present the
"defender of the Faiths" is working behind the scenes with the
support
of the brotherhood of illuminating filtering down to their many
organisations eg the Freemasons, etc. creating this demonic new world
order.


And when this Antichrist will be head of the New World order it is
then he will transmit his message, via the implant to the people with
the mark, I am god.


2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being
gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily
unsettled
or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come
from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let
anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the
rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man
doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over
everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets
himself
up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

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Harry Potter Has Friends In High Places
Updated: 07:23, Wednesday July 18, 2007

The Church of England is using the magic of Harry Potter to spread the
word.

It is publishing a guide advising youth workers how to use JK
Rowling's wizardry as a "launch pad" for exploring Bible themes.

Days before the release of the spellbinder's final adventure, youth
leaders are being told they could use the popularity of the Potter
books to spread the Christian message.

It represents a shift in emphasis for the Church.

The Harry Potter books and films have been attacked in the past by
evangelicals for allegedly glamorising the occult.

But in recent years, the Harry Potter phenomenon has received backing
from Church figures including former archbishop of Canterbury Dr
George Carey.

He described the film as "great fun" and a serious examination of good
and evil.

And the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, described Harry
Potter author JK Rowling as a "great storyteller".

Author of the guide, 24-year-old Owen Smith, a youth worker at St
Margaret's Church in Rainham, Kent, said: "The magic in the books is
simply part of the magic that JK Rowling has created.

"To say, as some have, that these books draw younger readers towards
the occult seems to me both to malign JK Rowling and to vastly
underestimate the ability of children and young people to separate the
real from the imaginary."

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martus
2007-07-27 04:25:43 UTC
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Two things I want you to note in the following articles:

What the False Prophet supports and where his money and research is
heading.


_____________________________________________________________


Bill Gates Now Invests In Sodomy


By Dave Gibson on Jul 25, 07


Bill Gates has become the controlling investor in the homosexual and
deviant lifestyle community known as PlanetOut. The enterprise which
Gates has added to his portfolio produces and distributes hardcore
homosexual pornography, provides a forum to arrange sexual
encounters,
and sponsors all-homosexual cruises.


With $26 million, Gates is bailing out the failing homosexual
network,
whose stock opened at $9 per share when the company went public in
2004. Most recently, the stock was selling for $1.59. Gates purchased
a controlling 56 percent of the company.


PlanetOut operates the following sites:
-OutTraveler.com
-Gay.com (homosexual personal ads)
-HIVPlusMag
-Alyson Bookstore (a homosexual book site which offers such titles
as:
"Working Stiff: True Blue Collar Gay Porn," "Sweet Lips," and most
troubling "The New Essential Guide to Lesbian Conception, Pregnancy,
and Birth")


Gates has given many speeches on the need to offer abortions on
demand
as well as on the concept of zero population growth. He gives
enormous
amounts of money to pro-abortion groups, including a $200,000
donation
to Planned Parenthood of Western Washington this year. In 2000, he
donated $57 million to the United Nation's Population Fund.


_________________________________________________________________


Bill Gates sees processor clock speeds to top out at 10 GHz


Trendwatch
By Wolfgang Gruener
Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:18


Recommend article:Redmond (WA) - Less than a year from his previously
announced departure from the company he co-founded, the Bill Gates
today outlined his vision and opportunities for Microsoft.


According to Gates, there are currently six trends, which will be
determining Microsoft and its product strategy for the years to come.
In a rather unusual way, he mentioned the dramatic changes in the way
the hardware engines that will be fueling new applications are
engineered.


The fact that performance advances have shifted from a pure increase
of clock speed to increased parallelism was described by Gates as a
"challenge". He believes that "parallel execution will be the primary
way silicon power will be delivered" down the road and not so much
the
fact that there is more clock speed available. According to Gates,
microprocessors will get to 10 GHz, "but not much further" (...) "even
5
to 6 years out."


Interestingly, Gates mentioned only Intel by name as a partner in the
approach to deliver fine-tuned, parallel code.


The ubiquity of broadband was next in line in Gates' vision, with
opportunities that go beyond simple web surfing but provide
distributed computing capabilities for many more users than today -
through "mega datacenters that companies such as Microsoft will
build." Broadband also extends to additional opportunities such as
off-
site storage technologies to provide more reliable backup solutions
for users, as well as connected mobile devices and enhanced
information devices.


Lastly, Gates spent some time on natural user interfaces, which he
considers "one of the most revolutionary things going on" and
Microsoft apparently will be spending more time on. A "Surface"
device
was briefly demonstrated with future applications - but in terms of a
current success in natural user interfaces, Gates had to point to
competitor's products: Nintendo's Wii game console as well as Apple's
iPhone.


___________________________________________________________


Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had
performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had
deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped
his
image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of
burning sulfur.


End times:
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martus
2007-07-29 21:58:43 UTC
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Post by martus
What the False Prophet supports and where his money and research is
heading.
_____________________________________________________________
Bill Gates Now Invests In Sodomy
By Dave Gibson on Jul 25, 07
Bill Gates has become the controlling investor in the homosexual and
deviant lifestyle community known as PlanetOut. The enterprise which
Gates has added to his portfolio produces and distributes hardcore
homosexual pornography, provides a forum to arrange sexual
encounters,
and sponsors all-homosexual cruises.
With $26 million, Gates is bailing out the failing homosexual
network,
whose stock opened at $9 per share when the company went public in
2004. Most recently, the stock was selling for $1.59. Gates purchased
a controlling 56 percent of the company.
-OutTraveler.com
-Gay.com (homosexual personal ads)
-HIVPlusMag
-Alyson Bookstore (a homosexual book site which offers such titles
"Working Stiff: True Blue Collar Gay Porn," "Sweet Lips," and most
troubling "The New Essential Guide to Lesbian Conception, Pregnancy,
and Birth")
Gates has given many speeches on the need to offer abortions on
demand
as well as on the concept of zero population growth. He gives
enormous
amounts of money to pro-abortion groups, including a $200,000
donation
to Planned Parenthood of Western Washington this year. In 2000, he
donated $57 million to the United Nation's Population Fund.
_________________________________________________________________
Bill Gates sees processor clock speeds to top out at 10 GHz
Trendwatch
By Wolfgang Gruener
Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:18
Recommend article:Redmond (WA) - Less than a year from his previously
announced departure from the company he co-founded, the Bill Gates
today outlined his vision and opportunities for Microsoft.
According to Gates, there are currently six trends, which will be
determining Microsoft and its product strategy for the years to come.
In a rather unusual way, he mentioned the dramatic changes in the way
the hardware engines that will be fueling new applications are
engineered.
The fact that performance advances have shifted from a pure increase
of clock speed to increased parallelism was described by Gates as a
"challenge". He believes that "parallel execution will be the primary
way silicon power will be delivered" down the road and not so much
the
fact that there is more clock speed available. According to Gates,
microprocessors will get to 10 GHz, "but not much further" (...) "even
5
to 6 years out."
Interestingly, Gates mentioned only Intel by name as a partner in the
approach to deliver fine-tuned, parallel code.
The ubiquity of broadband was next in line in Gates' vision, with
opportunities that go beyond simple web surfing but provide
distributed computing capabilities for many more users than today -
through "mega datacenters that companies such as Microsoft will
build." Broadband also extends to additional opportunities such as
off-
site storage technologies to provide more reliable backup solutions
for users, as well as connected mobile devices and enhanced
information devices.
Lastly, Gates spent some time on natural user interfaces, which he
considers "one of the most revolutionary things going on" and
Microsoft apparently will be spending more time on. A "Surface"
device
was briefly demonstrated with future applications - but in terms of a
current success in natural user interfaces, Gates had to point to
competitor's products: Nintendo's Wii game console as well as Apple's
iPhone.
___________________________________________________________
Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had
performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had
deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped
his
image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of
burning sulfur.
Microsoft Windows Installed Base to Cross 1 Billion Mark
07.27.07

By Peter Galli
REDMOND, Wash.- Microsoft Windows will run more PCs than there are
cars in the world by the end of Microsoft's fiscal year 2008, said
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer July 26 at the company's analyst day
here.

"The install base of Windows computers this coming 12 months will
reach 1 billion," Ballmer told the group. "If you stop and just think
about that, parse that for a second, by the end of our fiscal year
'08, there will be more PCs running Windows in the world than there
are automobiles, which is at least to me kind of a mind-numbing
concept."

____________________________________________________________________

Revelation 13(New International Version)
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so
that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.



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Mistylien
2007-07-31 07:19:33 UTC
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Post by martus
Post by martus
What the False Prophet supports and where his money and research is
heading.
_____________________________________________________________
Bill Gates Now Invests In Sodomy
By Dave Gibson on Jul 25, 07
Bill Gates has become the controlling investor in the homosexual and
deviant lifestyle community known as PlanetOut. The enterprise which
Gates has added to his portfolio produces and distributes hardcore
homosexual pornography, provides a forum to arrange sexual
encounters,
and sponsors all-homosexual cruises.
With $26 million, Gates is bailing out the failing homosexual
network,
whose stock opened at $9 per share when the company went public in
2004. Most recently, the stock was selling for $1.59. Gates purchased
a controlling 56 percent of the company.
-OutTraveler.com
-Gay.com (homosexual personal ads)
-HIVPlusMag
-Alyson Bookstore (a homosexual book site which offers such titles
"Working Stiff: True Blue Collar Gay Porn," "Sweet Lips," and most
troubling "The New Essential Guide to Lesbian Conception, Pregnancy,
and Birth")
Gates has given many speeches on the need to offer abortions on
demand
as well as on the concept of zero population growth. He gives
enormous
amounts of money to pro-abortion groups, including a $200,000
donation
to Planned Parenthood of Western Washington this year. In 2000, he
donated $57 million to the United Nation's Population Fund.
_________________________________________________________________
Bill Gates sees processor clock speeds to top out at 10 GHz
Trendwatch
By Wolfgang Gruener
Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:18
Recommend article:Redmond (WA) - Less than a year from his previously
announced departure from the company he co-founded, the Bill Gates
today outlined his vision and opportunities for Microsoft.
According to Gates, there are currently six trends, which will be
determining Microsoft and its product strategy for the years to come.
In a rather unusual way, he mentioned the dramatic changes in the way
the hardware engines that will be fueling new applications are
engineered.
The fact that performance advances have shifted from a pure increase
of clock speed to increased parallelism was described by Gates as a
"challenge". He believes that "parallel execution will be the primary
way silicon power will be delivered" down the road and not so much
the
fact that there is more clock speed available. According to Gates,
microprocessors will get to 10 GHz, "but not much further" (...) "even
5
to 6 years out."
Interestingly, Gates mentioned only Intel by name as a partner in the
approach to deliver fine-tuned, parallel code.
The ubiquity of broadband was next in line in Gates' vision, with
opportunities that go beyond simple web surfing but provide
distributed computing capabilities for many more users than today -
through "mega datacenters that companies such as Microsoft will
build." Broadband also extends to additional opportunities such as
off-
site storage technologies to provide more reliable backup solutions
for users, as well as connected mobile devices and enhanced
information devices.
Lastly, Gates spent some time on natural user interfaces, which he
considers "one of the most revolutionary things going on" and
Microsoft apparently will be spending more time on. A "Surface"
device
was briefly demonstrated with future applications - but in terms of a
current success in natural user interfaces, Gates had to point to
competitor's products: Nintendo's Wii game console as well as Apple's
iPhone.
___________________________________________________________
Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had
performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had
deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped
his
image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of
burning sulfur.
Microsoft Windows Installed Base to Cross 1 Billion Mark
07.27.07
By Peter Galli
REDMOND, Wash.- Microsoft Windows will run more PCs than there are
cars in the world by the end of Microsoft's fiscal year 2008, said
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer July 26 at the company's analyst day
here.
"The install base of Windows computers this coming 12 months will
reach 1 billion," Ballmer told the group. "If you stop and just think
about that, parse that for a second, by the end of our fiscal year
'08, there will be more PCs running Windows in the world than there
are automobiles, which is at least to me kind of a mind-numbing
concept."
____________________________________________________________________
Revelation 13(New International Version)
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so
that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.
It is this Antichrist that started his office some 1260 literal years
before that head received it's deadly wound.
Time line; 538 ------------------------------1798 AD.

Notice The Bible prophecy says in one number a prophetic
1260 "Days".

So the Anticrist is an office and each one that takes that office
did and will become the arch antichrist.

All of it's priests also take the same Blasphemous title
that denotes they take the place of the Son of God.

You figure out how or what that beastly blasphemy sect
is.

M,
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martus
2007-07-30 00:41:31 UTC
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Millions believe this man is the Antichrist
ANDREW COLLIER

FORTY years after the decriminalisation of homosexuality in England
and Wales, American The Rt Rev V Gene Robinson, the world's first
openly gay bishop, explains to ANDREW COLLIER in an exclusive
interview what it's like to be many Christians' number one enemy.

THE Devil has arranged to meet me in the lobby of a London tourist
hotel. It's an odd choice of venue: Westminster Cathedral, the great
temple of Roman Catholicism in England, is close by; and a glimpse of
the fire and colour of Hell would have been more interesting.

Nor does he look like Satan. No horns, no tail, no pitchfork, no smoke
and sulphur. He's of medium height, thinning hair, wearing a smart
shirt and tie. He's immediately warm, friendly, open and assured. I
like him.

Yet millions of Christians the world over are convinced - absolutely
assured - that this man is the Antichrist. They believe he is the
Devil, sent to destroy the church from within. Welcome to the fan club
of the Rt Rev V Gene Robinson, Primate of the American diocese of New
Hampshire and the world's first openly gay bishop.

This week may mark the 40th anniversary of the legalisation of
homosexuality in England and Wales, but attitudes in many ways still
lag behind legislation. Even on this side of the Atlantic, Robinson's
public homosexuality has made him the most controversial figure in
worldwide Anglicanism since Henry VIII split with Rome in 1538 and
created the church.

His ordination as bishop four years ago sparked a global outrage. Here
was a cleric not only living in a sexual relationship with another
man, but proud of it. Fellow Anglicans around the world erupted in
fury. Some of the insults from other bishops in the 77 million strong
worldwide Anglican Communion have been poisonous. It is yet possible -
some would say probable - that Robinson's election will very soon
unleash a chain of events blowing the global church apart.

________________________________________________________________

No point looking to the low ranking members of the Anglican Church of
England for this corruption . If the head of their church did not
approve it then there is no way that a person that revalls in what God
calls an abomination would ever be promoted. The Supreme Govenor of
the Church of England is the royality, this church serves the
royality, and this corruption can be laid squarely at the Queen's sons
feet.


_________________________________________________________________________

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2007-08-03 23:25:35 UTC
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U.S. HOMOSEXUAL BISHOP SAYS Church of England WOULD COLLAPSE IF GAY
CLERGY ELIMINATED
"I won't step down," says Robinson to Williams

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
8/1//2007

Homosexual bishop Gene Robinson believes the Church of England would
collapse if it did away with homoerotic clergy. He ripped its leaders
who are unable to be honest about the numbers of homosexual clergy who
are in their ranks. He also said the crisis was not exclusively an
'American Problem'. In his latest comments, Robinson again objected to
the primates' demands, arguing that they are "antithetical" to
Anglican tradition.

Speaking in an interview in London, Robinson said that many of the
English Church's clergy lived openly in their rectories with gay
partners, with the full knowledge of their bishops. He criticized the
stance of bishops who threaten the clergy with enmity should their
relationships become public.

Said Bishop Robinson: "I have met so many gay-partnered clergy here
and it is so troubling to hear them tell me that their bishop comes to
their house for dinner, knows fully about their relationship, is
wonderfully supportive but has also said, 'If this ever becomes public
then I'm your worst enemy.'

If all the gay people stayed away from church on a given Sunday the
Church of England would be close to shut down, between its organists,
its clergy, its wardens . . . it just seems less than humble not to
admit that."

Robinson also said that the Episcopal Church, currently under threat
of sanctions from the Communion's Primates if it does not modify its
liberal agenda at a meeting of its bishops in September, has been
ordaining gay priests "for many, many years. Not every bishop will do
that, but many do. I will and have. Many make a requirement that the
person be celibate, but many do not make such a requirement. It's
interesting that the wider Anglican Communion has either not known
that or has not chosen to make an issue of it before now."

He was surprised that this did not become an issue until his election
arguing that if the principle of gay ordination is wrong, it should be
wrong for priests and bishops, not just bishops.


Robinson claimed that bishops in the Church of England have backed him
but declined to name them. "I have received huge support from the
Church of England, both from the clergy and from the pews. Hardly a
day goes by, never mind a week, that I don't receive encouraging words
of support. I think the thing that is the most mystifying to me and
the most troubling about the Church of England is its refusal to be
honest about just how many gay clergy it has."

_________________________________________________________________________
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2007-07-30 00:42:32 UTC
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2007-07-30 00:46:12 UTC
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Sedona's high-energy vortexes draw tourists (and UFOs) into Red Rock
Country

BY GINA SALAMONE

Sunday, July 29th 2007, 4:00 AM

With its radiant red rocks and energy vortexes, Sedona, Ariz., is a
mecca for nature enthusiasts and those looking to relax.

It's where hippies and yoga buffs feel just as welcome as hikers and
mountain bikers.

And the perfect season to visit is nearly here. September and October
not only bring major music, art and food festivals, but it's when
torrid temperatures in the desert city begin to drop.

Sedona is a two-hour drive from Scottsdale - a Western town that
lassos tourists in with its posh spas and golf courses. And the
recently revamped downtown scene gives good reason to couple
Scottsdale with a Sedona getaway.

Both cities are spa-speckled, but Sedona thrives on its spiritual
element. For a chance to learn all about the area's energy, view the
scenery and get in some exercise at the same time, try one of the
Sedona Spirit Vortex Hikes (888-282-9901; yogalife.net ).

Led by Bronx-born Johanna Mosca, or one of her guides, the tours set
out around massive sandstone formations - some of which are vortexes,
or centers of spiraling energy. It's believed the spots are ideal for
meditation, healing and prayer.

There are four major vortexes in Sedona, Mosca explains at the start
of one recent three-hour yoga hike. Some have masculine energy, known
as electric. "They arouse you, stir you up and motivate you," she
says.

Others have feminine, or magnetic energy. "It's energy that draws you
inward, quiets you," explains Mosca. "It has you recall a past life,
and makes you feel a deeper calm and peace."

The vortexes of Airport Mesa and Bell Rock have masculine energy.
Cathedral, named for its spires, is feminine. Boynton Canyon is said
to be electromagnetic, a perfect balance between the male and female
energies.

"Locals say they need to get out of Sedona every once in a while
because it's too powerful," Mosca says. "There's a lot of Native
American energy here. They came here for pilgrimages, but they thought
it was too sacred to live long-term."

She leads the group to the base of Bell Rock. "It's supposed to be a
portal to another dimension, meaning a place where you could access
higher dimensions of your being," says Mosca.

"It's said that Bell Rock has the most UFO sightings because the
energy shoots up from the top of it."


________________________________________________________________

(These vortexes are nothing but gateways to hell and these spiritual
enlightenments are nothing but demonic contacts/possions that people
receive, like Baxter says these evil beings are waiting to be released
and are behind these so called allien abductions.)

An account of the vision Mary Baxter received from Jesus written in
her book "A divine revelation of Hell"


Instantly, my soul was taken out of my body. I went with Jesus up out
of my room and into the sky. I knew all that was going on about me.
I saw my husband and children asleep in our home below.

It was as though I had died and my body was left behind on the bed
while my spirit was going with Jesus up through the top of the house.
It seemed as though the whole roof was rolled back, and I could see my
family asleep in their beds.

I felt the touch of Jesus as He said, "Fear not. They will be safe."
He knew my thoughts.

I will try to the best of my ability to tell you step-by-step what I
saw and felt. Some of the things I did not understand. The Lord
Jesus told me the meaning of most of them, but some things He did not
tell me.

I knew then, and I know now, that these things were really happening
and only God could have shown them to me. Praise His holy name.
People, believe me, hell is real. I was taken there by the Spirit
many times during the preparation of this report.

Soon we were high into the heavens. I turned and looked at Jesus. He
was full of glory and power, and such peace flowed from Him. He took
my hand and said, "I love you. Fear not, for I am with you."

At that, we began to go even higher into the sky, and now I could see
the earth below. Protruding out of the earth and scattered about in
many places were funnels spinning around to a center point and then
turning back again. These moved high above the earth and looked like
a giant, dirty type of slinky that moved continuously. They were
coming up from all over the earth. "What are these?" I asked the Lord
Jesus as we came near to one.

"These are the gateways to hell," He said. "We will go into hell
through one of them."

Immediately, we entered one of the funnels. Inside, it looked like a
tunnel, spinning around and around and back again like a top.

A deep darkness descended on us, and with the darkness came a smell so
horrible it took my breath away. Along the sides of this tunnel were
living forms embedded in the walls. Dark gray in color, the forms
moved and cried out to us as we passed. I knew without being told
that they were evil.

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References on the Goddess Astarte

Astarte The Lady of the Beasts.

Along with Lilith she is one of the principle Elohim (this Hebrew
plural word means goddesses and gods, though translated as God by
biblical revisionists for the past 2,000 years) of the Semites of
Phoenicia. Consort to Baal, she is here depicted with two foals in
ecstatic dance, her typically upraised arms grasping serpents. She was
the Great Goddess, all-powerful, creating-preserving-destroying, an
embodiment of Mother Nature. Also known as Ashtoroth, in some poses
she is identical with images of Kali, while in her role of virgin she
is an ancient prototype of Mary.

(hence this confusion of placing Mary in a more prominate position
then Christ in so many of the Catholic church and their offshoots.)

Across Northern Africa, each town had its own version of the Astarte
mother goddess. Carthage became the most unique. In Carthage, she was
called Tanit. Female statues in the temple show women holding their
breasts. She gains a new symbol of her own, very similar to the
Egyptian ankh. Her counterpart became Baal Hammon. According to all
historical records and also to archeological findings, this particular
Tanit and Baal cult did practice human sacrifice. Children were
sacrificed in the temple to Baal Hammon. Parents willingly did this
and during the human sacrifice of their child, they were not to weap,
nor shed a tear. A tomb in Carthage dating to 200 BC also suggest that
Tanit was a separate deity from Astarte. The tomb says that the statue
was erected for Astarte and Tanit of Libano.


Astarte (Greek) Greek form of the Syro-Phoenician goddess Ashtoreth,
female counterpart of Baal. The Assyrian and Babylonian form was
Ishtar, in Syria Atargates, in Phrygia Cybele, in the Bible Ashtoreth,
and in North Africa Tanith or Dido. She was intimately connected in
the Chaldean form of her worship with the planet Venus. She
corresponds to the Egyptian Isis or Hathor, Greek Aphrodite, and Norse
Freya


(The planet Venus symbolises Satan, the bright morning star that was
thrown to the earth, Venus being the bright morning star before it
disappears from the night sky at the arrival of the sun.)End
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2007-08-01 03:29:47 UTC
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2007-08-02 07:54:12 UTC
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If he became king, Charles would be the supreme governor of the
Anglican Church of England and some Anglicans remain opposed to the
remarriage of divorcees. (Queen is now)
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Prince Charles flies back into vortex of scandal
John Arlidge and Jessica Hodgson
Sunday November 9, 2003
The Observer
Prince Charles flies back to Britain today after his two-week tour of
India and the Middle East as the scandal over allegations of a sexual
incident involving him and a royal servant(male) reaches new heights.
Internet sites in Europe and the US yesterday published lurid details
of the alleged incident while British newspapers, gagged by a court
injunction, subjected the prince to the worst criticism he has faced.
Clarence House was bracing itself for fresh revelations in today's
newspapers.
Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF
WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
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Britain to give gay couples equal rights
LONDON, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Next week's Queen's Speech to be read in
British parliament will suggest same-sex couples be given the same
rights as married couples, a report said Monday.
In what amounts to legal recognition of "gay marriage," thousands of
gay couples will be able to register their partnerships and benefit
from inheritance, tax and next-of-kin rights, the Times of London
reported.
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Church releases sexuality guide>From correspondents in London
05nov03
THE Church of England overnight urged a full debate on the issue of
homosexuality, publishing a guide designed to foster unbiased
communication on the contentious issue.
Published by the Church of England House of Bishops, it comes just
two
days after the consecration of Canon Gene Robinson, an openly gay
man,
as Bishop of New Hampshire. His elevation by the Episcopal Church,
the
US branch of Anglicanism, has threatened to split the 77 million
strong worldwide Anglican Communion.
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Prince Charles hails links between Islam and Christianity

Jul 12, 2007, 16:37 GMT


London - Muslims and Christians have far more in common than they have
differences, Britain's Prince Charles said at the opening of an
exhibition of Islamic art in London Thursday.

'So much attention is paid to the outward differences between faiths.
Almost reflexively, this becomes translated into seemingly
impenetrable divisions between people,' said Prince Charles, who has
made the promotion of inter-faith understanding one of his main
interests.
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Two things block us joining the Commonwealth: history and bigotry


GESTURES OF RECONCILIATION: By both Queen Elizabeth and Charles

Go By Marc Coleman
Sunday July 29 2007


Prince Charles has acknowledged his wish to be defender of 'all
faiths' rather than just the Protestant faith.

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The Prince becomes a King!!

Daniel 11

36 Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify
himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the
God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished,
for that which is decreed will be done. 37 He will show no regard for
the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show
regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.


http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/03-DESTROYERS.html
martus
2007-08-03 23:29:19 UTC
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ICE WORLD
Arctic Wealth And Why Countries Are Jockeying Over The Roof Of The
World

The arctic region comprises an ocean bordered by islands owned by
Russia, Canada, the United States, Norway and Denmark (through
Greenland, a self-governing Danish territory).
by Staff Writers
Paris (AFP) Aug 02, 2007

Global warming and, ironically, its main cause -- fossil fuels --
explain the intensifying squabble to claim rights over the Arctic
seabed. Around a quarter of the world's oil reserves are locked up
below the Arctic Ocean, according to the US Geological Survey (USGS).
The Arctic floor is also home to massive gas fields which are
virtually unexploited, including those in the Barents Sea and in
particular the Russian Shtokman field, which has reserves estimated at
a staggering 3,200 billion cubic meters (113,006 billion cubic feet).

This tempting treasure was previously way out of reach, for the ice
that swathed the ocean's surface made prospection, drilling, pumping
and storage technically impossible or astronomically costly.

Now, though, the icy shield is shrinking fast as atmospheric
temperatures, stoked by the greenhouse effect, steadily rise.


"By 2040 or 2050, the Arctic Ocean will be navigable and that will
mean significant developments very soon," Martin Fortier, a Canadian
researcher who heads ArticNet, which studies the effects of climate
change in the far north, said in January.

Over the past five years, a flurry of scientific studies has said that
winter sea ice in the Arctic has thinned and the extent of summer sea
ice has retreated.

By 2040, "only a small amount of perennial sea ice" will remain along
the northern coasts of Greenland and Canada in summer, the US National
Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) said last December.

The cause: warmer temperatures, amplified by a vicious circle that
climatologists term "positive feedback." Ice reflects sunlight, but
when it melts, that leaves a patch of open sea. Because sea is dark,
it absorbs solar radiation, which thus leads to more ice loss.


Global warming predicted in the bible thousands of years before!
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Revelation 16:8
The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given
power to scorch people with fire.


Revelation 6 (New International Version)

8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named
Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by
the wild beasts of the earth.

5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living
creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse!
Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what
sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A
quart[a] of wheat for a day's wages,[b] and three quarts of barley for
a day's wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

Luke 21 (New International Version)

25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."



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martus
2007-08-03 23:34:55 UTC
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Making Manimals

By William Saletan
Sunday, June 24, 2007; Page B02

If you've been laughing at those Neanderthal presidential candidates
who still don't believe in evolution, it's time to sober up. Every
serious scientist knows we evolved from animals. The question now is
whether to put our DNA and theirs back together.

We've been transplanting baboon hearts, pig valves and other animal
parts into people for decades. We've derived stem cells by inserting
human genomes into rabbit eggs. We've created mice that have human
prostate glands. We've made sheep that have half-human livers. Last
week, Britain's Academy of Medical Sciences reported that scientists
have created "thousands of examples of transgenic animals" carrying
human DNA. According to the report, "the introduction of human gene
sequences into mouse cells in vitro is a technique now practiced in
virtually every biomedical research institution across the world."

Why have we done this? To save lives. If you can't get a human heart
valve, a pig valve will do. If you can't get human eggs to clone
embryos for stem cell research, rabbit eggs will do. If you can't use
people as guinea pigs in gruesome but necessary experiments on human
tissue, guinea pigs will do. All you have to do is put -- or grow --
the human tissue in the guinea pigs. You're free to inflict any
disease or drug on a human system, as long as that human system lives
in an animal.

In stem cell research, moreover, human cells are the therapy. Under
FDA rules, they must be tested in animals before they're tested in
people. That means implanting them to see how they change the animals.
Meanwhile, we're using hamster cells to make a human protein to treat
anemia. We're using mice to make humanized antibodies that produce
cancer drugs. We've grown human kidney tissue in rats.

So far, our mixtures are modest. To make humanized animals really
creepy, you'd have to do several things. You'd increase the ratio of
human to animal DNA. You'd transplant human cells that spread
throughout the body. You'd do it early in embryonic development, so
the human cells would shape the animals' architecture, not just blend
in. You'd grow the embryos to maturity. And you'd start messing with
the brain.

We're doing all of these things.

According to the British academy's report, "researchers have
constructed ever more ambitious transgenic animals" -- some with an
entire human chromosome -- and it's "likely that the process of
engineering ever larger amounts of human DNA into mice will continue."
We're transplanting pluripotent stem cells, which proliferate and grow
many kinds of human tissue. We're doing it early in mouse
embryogenesis, and we're implanting the resulting embryos in "foster
mice" so they can develop.

We're not doing these things because they're creepy. We're doing them
because they're logical. The more you humanize animals, the better
they serve their purpose as lab models of humanity. That's what's
scary about species mixing. It's not some crazy Frankenstein project.
It's the future of medicine.

Now comes the brain.

Neurological disorders affect 1 billion people and kill nearly 7
million per year. To study these disorders, we're doing to brain
tissue what we've done to liver and kidney tissue: We're replicating
it in animals. We've made humanized mice with Alzheimer's symptoms.
We've put human neural stem cells in monkey brains. We've added human
stem cells to the brains of fetal mice and grown them into adult mice
with human neurons. According to the British academy, it's now
standard practice to test human neural stem cells by assessing whether
they "integrate appropriately into mouse or rat brain."

Last month, ethicists from Stanford University and the University of
Wisconsin detailed a proposal by a Stanford scientist to substitute
human brain stem cells for dying neurons in fetal mice. "The result
would be a mouse brain, the neurons of which were mainly human in
origin," they reported. The payoff, if the fetuses survived, would be
"a laboratory animal that could be used for experiments on living, in
vivo, human neurons." Imagine that: a humanoid brain network you can
treat like a lab animal, because it is a lab animal.

The Stanford experiment wouldn't actually produce a human brain. Most
brain cells aren't neurons, and the experiment called for inserting
human cells after the mice had constructed their brain architecture.
But last year in the journal Developmental Biology, researchers
proposed to insert human stem cells in mice before this architectural
stage. The resulting "mouse/human chimeras," they argued, "would be of
considerable value for the modeling of human development and disease
in live animals."

When Stanford's ethicists first heard the proposal for humanized mouse
brains, they were grossed out. But after thinking it over, they
tentatively endorsed the idea and decided that it may not be bad to
endow mice with "some aspects of human consciousness or some human
cognitive abilities." The British academy and the U.S. National
Academy of Sciences have likewise refused to permanently restrict the
humanization of animals.

If you want permanent restrictions, your best bet is the senator who
tried to impose them two years ago. He's the same presidential
candidate now leading the charge against evolution: Sam Brownback, a
Kansas Republican. He thinks we're separate from other animals,
"unique in the created order." Too bad this wasn't true in the past --
and won't be true in the future.
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Leviticus 19:19
'Keep my decrees. " 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.

Seems to be pretty clear, the angels mated with woman kind and
produced the Nephlim children, these Nephlim now only exist in spirit
form, better know as demons. These fallen angels that did this were
locked up in hell and how can mankind that mixes the species expect
anything less from God when they themselves are mixing the animal
species?

More on the fallen angels and demons here
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/16-SATAN.html
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2007-08-07 06:21:38 UTC
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Bible Prophesy, Asteroid will hit the earth!


THE BURNING MOUNTAIN THROWN INTO THE SEA
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Revelation 8

***8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea.***


A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures
in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.




Revelation 9
1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a

***star that had fallen from the sky***

to the earth. ***The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.
2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a
gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the
Abyss.****

3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given
power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm
the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who
did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given
power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the
agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it
strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not
find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads
they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled
human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were
like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron,
and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses
and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like
scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for
five months.

***11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in
Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.***

12The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.



THE ASTEROID CALLED APOPHIS OF THE APOLLO CLASS
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When first discovered, the object received the provisional designation
2004 MN4 (sometimes written 2004 MN4), and news and scientific
articles about it referred to it by that name. When its orbit was
sufficiently well calculated it received the permanent number 99942
(on June 24, 2005), the first numbered asteroid with Earth-impact
solutions (to its orbit determination from observations). Receiving a
permanent number made it eligible for naming, and it promptly received
the name "Apophis" as of July 19, 2005. Apophis is the Greek name of
the Ancient Egyptian god Apep, "the Destroyer", who dwells in the
eternal darkness of the Duat (underworld) and tries to destroy the Sun
during its nightly passage.

Although the Greek name for the Egyptian god may be appropriate,
Tholen and Tucker (two of the co-discovers of the asteroid) are
reportedly fans of the TV series Stargate SG-1. The show's main
antagonist in the first several seasons was an alien named Apophis who
took the name for the Egyptian god and sought to destroy Earth.

Abaddon and Apollyon are not the same as Apep and Apophis, but Abaddon
and Apollyon both refer to the evil underworld and both mean
"Destroyer" the same as Apep and Apophis. So it is very possible that
this passage in Revelation is telling us that the asteroid Apophis
will impact Earth. Notice that the name of this asteroid is given in
two different names from two connected cultures and languages; Apophis
in Greek, Apep in Egyptian. It is the same here in Revelation 9,
Abaddon and Apollyon.

It will come close to Earth several times in the next 30 years, but
not close enough for concern until April 13, 2029 (which is also a
Friday the 13th). At that time it will buzz passed Earth at only about
36,000 miles away, which is almost as close as some orbiting
satellites. It is about 1100 feet in diameter. The gravitational pull
of Earth could affect Apophis' orbit as it passes, thus making
predictions of its path after 2029 uncertain. The asteroid orbits the
Sun every 323 days and crosses paths with Earth twice during each
orbit.

After the Minor Planet Center confirmed the June discovery of Apophis
(then known only as 2004 MN4), the next close approach was computed to
be April 13, 2029 by the automatic Sentry system of NASA's Near-Earth
Object Program Office. NEODyS, a similar automatic system at the
University of Pisa, Italy and the University of Valladolid, Spain also
calculated this same approach date. On that date, it will become as
bright as magnitude 3.3 (visible to the naked eye from rural and some
darker suburban areas, visible with binoculars from most
locations[3]). This close approach will be visible from Europe,
Africa, and western Asia. As a result of its close passage, it will
move from the Aten to the Apollo class.

The impact from this asteroid is calculated to the force of
approximately 850 megatons of TNT. The eruption of a volcano (Note:
the abyss spewing out lava liken to a furnace from Revelation) on the
Island of Krakatoa, Indonesia in 1883 was about 200 megatons. It
destroyed most of the island and darkened the skies for three days,
and lowered global temperatures. The dust caused bright red sunsets
for several years afterwards.

In 1815 there was a volcanic eruption on the island of Tambora,
Indonesia that was three times greater than Krakatoa. The Tambora
eruption sent about a million and a half metric tons of dirt into the
atmosphere, darkening the sky and lowering global temperatures for
more than a year. The following year was known as the year without a
summer in Europe.

Can there be any doubt that when Apophis (the Destroy) hits, the
mantle of the earth will be cracked, opening up the Abyss and the
world will be darkened by the smoke and heat as the prophecy states in
Revelation?









PROPHESIED IN THE BIBLE 150 YEARS BEFORE AND THEN IT'S FULLFILLMENT.
_____________________________________________________________________


One year after Cyrus had conquered Babylon, he issued an edict
authorizing the Jews to return to Jerusalem, and to rebuild the city
and the Temple. This event had been long before predicted by the
prophets, as the result which God had determined upon for purposes of
his own. We should not naturally have expected that such a conqueror
as Cyrus would feel any real and honest interest in promoting the
designs of God; but still, in the proclamation which he issued
authorizing the Jews to return, he acknowledged the supreme divinity
of Jehovah, and says that he was charged by him with the work of
rebuilding his Temple, and restoring his worship at its ancient seat
on Mount Zion.


Isaiah 44:28 (New International Version)
28 who says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd
and will accomplish all that I please;
he will say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt,"
and of the temple, "Let its foundations be laid." '


What do you make of that? To my mind there are really only two options
here. Either this really is the Lord who "made all things" speaking
through Isaiah, announcing what will happen 150 years later, mainly in
outline, but with one crucial detail: the name of the one who will be
God's agent in making it all happen. Or this so-called prophecy is a
merely human composition, written after the event to read as if it was
written before. What is clear is that the name is not just an
incidental detail which could have been added 150 years after an
earlier prophecy, using Tippex or the ancient equivalent. It is
crucial to what is being said not only that the actual name is being
given, but that it is being predicted before it could possibly have
been known by any natural means. Great emphasis is laid on the giving
of the name. 45.3 : "I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who summons you
by name. For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I
summon you by name." What is more, it is fair to say that the
integrity and truth of the whole prophecy of Isaiah is made to hang on
the fact that the future is accurately predicted. One of the central
claims of Isaiah is that there is only one true God. He is the one
speaking through the prophet Isaiah. All the idols of the nations of
the world are nothing - just useless lumps of wood and stone. Only the
true and living God both knows and tells the future.
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End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/
Mikal119
2007-08-07 06:26:12 UTC
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Bible Prophesy, Asteroid will hit the earth!
THE BURNING MOUNTAIN THROWN INTO THE SEA
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Shove it, Martus.You still think you bound the "antichrist" bill gates
by one of your posts.
LOON
John Smith
2007-08-07 13:35:01 UTC
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Bible Prophesy, Asteroid will hit the earth!
No - that's more like folly than prophesy.
Mistylien
2007-08-08 05:43:46 UTC
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Post by martus
Bible Prophesy, Asteroid will hit the earth!
No - that's more like folly than prophesy.
It is more like Bible prophecy then present literal happening.
James
2007-09-21 17:39:38 UTC
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Post by martus
Bible Prophesy, Asteroid will hit the earth!
No - that's more like folly than prophesy.
Hello,

Even if that were true, the Bible also tells us that it would not
destroy the planet or all life on this planet. The Bible tells us that
the earth is here to stay forever, and that people will be living on
it forever. (so much for all good people go to Heaven) Here is some
Bible proof.

The earth is here to stay forever: Ec 1:4,

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever."
(NIV)

People will always be living on the earth: Ps 37:29,

"The upright will have the earth for their heritage, and will go on
living there for ever." (The Bible in Basic English)

Jesus believed these Scriptures were "truth", thus so do true
Christians today. Joh 17:17,

"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." (NIV)


Sincerely, James

**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads

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2007-08-08 00:23:32 UTC
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Note that it is a huge rock that ends up destroy the last kingdom,
which is a mixture of different language peoples joined together, i.e.
the E.U..

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Daniel 2


31 "You looked, O king, and there before you stood a large statue-an
enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32 The head of the
statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly
and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and
partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out,
but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and
clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the
silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became
like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them
away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue
became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

36 "This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. 37
You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you
dominion and power and might and glory; 38 in your hands he has placed
mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever
they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of
gold.

39 "After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a
third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40
Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron-for iron
breaks and smashes everything-and as iron breaks things to pieces, so
it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the
feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this
will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of
iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were
partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and
partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay,
so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more
than iron mixes with clay.

44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a
kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another
people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but
it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of
the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands-a rock that
broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to
pieces.
"The great God has shown the king what will take place in the
future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."

End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/
martus
2007-08-25 23:08:18 UTC
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Multi-nation naval exercises to go ahead: Government
11 Aug 2007, 1746 hrs IST,PTI
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GURGAON: Government on Saturday said that the largest-ever multi-
nation naval exercises in the Bay of Bengal planned next month, in
which US forces are taking part, would go ahead as these were not any
"country-centric".

(Note: A hop, skip and a jump from Iran)

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US WMD sales could trigger deadly arms race
By Meena Janardhan
Updated Aug 24, 2007, 12:09 pm


Arms race looming in Middle East (Nation News/Barbados, 08-02-2007)
World unhappy with US arms sales (PRESS TV, 07-30-2007)



'The new U.S. policy includes providing military cover for the Arab
Gulf states as they take a more confrontational position vis-a-vis
Iran, which of course produces some juicy profits for the U.S.
aerospace industry, but also provides a framework for getting Israeli
[and U.S.] acquiescence for selling some significant new military
technology to the Arabs.'


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (IPS/GIN) - The United States' new plan to
counter Iran's influence by selling weapons to Saudi Arabia and other
allies could trigger an arms race and worsen instability in the Middle
East, according to experts.

(Strengthening the countries around Iran when the U.S. and allies
attack)
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Predicted in the bible.

Daniel 8:3-11 (New International Version)



3 I looked up, and there before me was a ram with two horns, standing
beside the canal, and the horns were long. One of the horns was longer
than the other but grew up later. 4 I watched the ram as he charged
toward the west and the north and the south. No animal could stand
against him, and none could rescue from his power. He did as he
pleased and became great.




(Note: As explained later the two horns represent 2 powers, Media and
Persia which are pretty much Iraq and Iran now a days. Also keep in
mind that the other power/horn started pushing it's weight around
after the first horn, i.e. that horn grew up later. Iraq has been made
powerless and Iran is next.)




5 As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn
between his eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without
touching the ground. 6 He came toward the two-horned ram I had seen
standing beside the canal and charged at him in great rage. 7 I saw
him attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering his two
horns. The ram was powerless to stand against him; the goat knocked
him to the ground and trampled on him, and none could rescue the ram
from his power.



(Note this goat is explained as a Greek Goat, Democracy is a Greek
government and it is the democratic countries that knocked the first
horn off, making Iraq powerless. Iran is to share the same fate. This
Prominent horn is the U.S. which has and is leading the attack on the
Ram, also note that it is a flying goat i.e. these wars are mostly
fought from the air. The ram is not killed but made powerless.)



8 The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large
horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up
toward the four winds of heaven.


(Note: Afterwards the U.S. will not be in charge i.e. the prominent
horn breaks off and 4 others grow in the U.S. place, 4 powers leading
this democracy or democratic countries uniting into 4 groups.)


9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew
in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land.
10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some
of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set
itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the
daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought
low.


(Note: Out of one of these 4 powers the Antichrist will emerge, the
little horn controlling the one group which will end up controlling
the democratic/greek goat.








19 He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time
of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.
20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and
Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn
between his eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced
the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge
from his nation but will not have the same power.

23 "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become
completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will
arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He
will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he
does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. 25 He will
cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When
they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the
Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.


(Note this stern face King and the little horn on one of the 4 horns
is the same, the Antichrist.)






End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-08-28 22:24:32 UTC
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(see article to which this is referenced to)

The horn that the little horn grows on is the European Union, the
little Horn that growns on that horn are the Euro countries which are
controlled by the elite of the Freemasons and whom do these serve but
the head of the British monarchy who will be known as the Antichrist
when he ascends to the throne.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

(ps the dragon is China and the partnership that the dragon will have
with the EU beast)

Revelation 13 (New International Version)

1And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

The Beast out of the Sea
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and
seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a
blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet
like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave
the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the
heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal
wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the
beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the
beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the
beast? Who can make war against him?"

5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and
to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6He opened his mouth
to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and
those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the
saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every
tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will
worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of
life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the
world.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

African Countries Under the EU.



Concern over getting too little in return for what they are being
asked to give up has led some African nations to say "no" to some
proposals for new trade relations with Europe next year.

Several Eastern and Southern African nations have announced that they
will only sign parts of the Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs)
that relate to market access and development. The EPAs have been put
forth as successor to the Cotonou Agreement, which expires at the end
of December.


The Cotonou Agreement gives 77 African, Caribbean and Pacific (ACP)
countries preferential access to European Union (EU) markets. Signed
in Benin capital Cotonou in June 2000, the agreement replaced the 25
year-old Lome Convention (signed in the Togo capital).

The Cotonou Agreement was broader in sweep than its predecessor, and
set as its objectives "poverty eradication, sustainable development
and the gradual integration of the ACP countries into the world
economy."

At a regional negotiation forum Aug. 3 to 5 in Port Louis, Mauritius,
16 Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA) countries
agreed a strategy to be presented at their next negotiating round in
September.

The 16 COMESA nations, represented by no less than five separate
overlapping and occasionally competing economic groups, have little
choice but to sign on to the market aspects of the new pact in order
to maintain preferential access to EU markets and remain compatible
with World Trade Organisation (WTO) access rules.

At present ACP members enjoy non-reciprocal trade benefits with the EU
-- such as access to EU markets which EU nations do not enjoy with ACP
countries -- but these benefits are incompatible with WTO standards.

New trade terms are being renegotiated through creation of WTO-
compliant Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs) that are scheduled to
enter into force by the end of 2007. But EPA negotiations have proved
difficult, with some countries fearing that their economies will not
be able to withstand competition from European goods for years to
come.

At a meeting in Brussels in February this year, COMESA negotiators
said that potential loss to revenue for many African states across the
continent heavily dependant on tariffs could require the EU to provide
an additional 2 billion euros in assistance by 2010 if they were to
allow Europeans free access. The COMESA members also want the EU to
commit more funds to development in exchange for lowering trade
duties.

"What Africa lacks is a market for its goods, and there are many
barriers amidst which our goods are produced and sold to the EU," says
Tiberius Barasa, assistant research fellow at the governance and
development programme at the Institute of Policy Analysis and Research
(IPAR) in Nairobi, Kenya.

The EU has been accused by some food and trade policy analysts in the
developing world of applying "zero tolerance" policies on food import
that they say have more to do with protecting Europe's heavily
subsidised agricultural and fishing industries than with public
safety.
End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
Merlin
2007-08-28 22:37:14 UTC
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name one christian that still worships jesus yahweh? name one
christian........

name one christian that follows and believes in all ten commandments.
please name one....

and youse guys are worried about antichrists when not one christians
obeys the laws in the bible?

it is the anti christ not to teach christians to worship as jesus
worship yahweh.
it is the anti christ to not obey the ten commandments.
it is the anti christ to not be able to believe in the whole bible.

when christians refuse to live as jesus lived, that is the anti
christ.

in love with the living gay jesus,

merlin


alt.christnet.public, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
alt.religion.christian, alt.christnet, alt.bible.prophecy
David Morgan (MAMS)
2007-08-29 21:20:56 UTC
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Post by Merlin
name one christian that still worships jesus yahweh? name one
christian........
name one christian that follows and believes in all ten commandments.
please name one....
One does not have to proclaim him or herself as a "Christian" to live
with morals and respect for Holy Spirit.
martus
2007-08-28 22:35:09 UTC
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(Read article which this one is referenced to)

Bush confronts Iran's 'murderous activities'


Ed Pilkington in New York
Tuesday August 28, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


George Bush speaks at the 89th annual American Legion convention in
Reno, Nevada. Photograph: Mandel Ngan/AFP/Getty Images



George Bush today ramped up the war of words between the US and Iran,
accusing the Iranian regime of threatening to place the Middle East
under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust and revealing that he had
authorised US military commanders in Iraq to "confront Tehran's
murderous activities".
In a speech designed to shore up American public opinion behind his
increasingly unpopular strategy in Iraq, the president reserved his
strongest words for the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which
he accused of openly supporting violent forces within Iraq.


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Iran, he said, was responsible for training extremist Shia factions in
the country which it supplied with arms and weapons, including
sophisticated roadside bombs. He referred specifically to 240mm
rockets that he said had been made in Iran this year and smuggled into
Iraq by Iranian agents.
"Iran has long been a source of trouble in the region. Iran's active
pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to
put a region already known for instability and violence under the
shadow of a nuclear holocaust."

The blunt terms in which Mr Bush portrayed the Iranian threat, and his
open threat of military confrontation with Tehran involving US troops
based in Iraq, elevates the increasingly tense standoff between
Washington and Tehran to a new level.

His speech also contained the implicit desire on Mr Bush's part for
regime change, calling for "an Iran whose government is accountable to
its people, instead of to leaders who promote terror and pursue the
technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons".

Equally menacing words emanated from Tehran today, where Mr
Ahmadinejad said US influence in the region was collapsing so fast
that a power vacuum would soon be created. "Of course, we are prepared
to fill the gap," he said.

Though the Iranian leader said he backed the leadership of the Iraqi
prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, and welcomed the involvement of Saudi
Arabia, his offer to occupy the space the Americans might leave behind
is unlikely to cool emotions in Washington.

He went on to deride the possibility of the US pursuing military
action in Iran, saying it was in no position to do so, and claiming
that Iran had already acquired enriched nuclear fuels - though they
would only be used for peaceful purposes. "Today, Iran is a nuclear
Iran," he said.

In a further cause of tension, Mr Bush accused the Quds force within
Iran's revolutionary guards of leading the supply chain to Iraqi
extremist groups.

As the Guardian revealed earlier this month, the Bush administration
is preparing to declare the 125,000-strong Revolutionary Guard Corps a
"global terrorist organisation" - a move that would be seen as
provocative within Tehran.

Mr Bush talked of his bullish determination to "take the fight to the
enemy" in the carefully choreographed setting of a veterans'
convention in Reno, Nevada, was the second of a two-part appeal by the
president to shore up public support for his flagging strategy on
Iraq.

In the first speech, made last week, he controversially invoked
Vietnam to argue that quitting Iraq now could put the lives of
millions of innocent civilians at risk. The president today vowed to
persevere with his controversial military policy in Iraq, insisting
that political and security progress was being made, despite a rising
tide of dissent even from high up within his own Republican party.

"Our strategy is this: Every day we work to protect the American
people. We will fight them over there so that we don't have to fight
them in the United States of America," he said.

The twin speeches were intended as preparation for a crucial series of
debates on Iraq that will dominate Washington for the next few weeks.

In two weeks time, the senior general in Iraq, General David Petraeus,
and the president's envoy to the country, Ryan Crocker, will give two
days of testimony in which they are likely to argue that the "surge"
is having some beneficial impact on security levels, though political
progress lags behind. Under the current policy, US troop numbers in
Iraq have risen by 30,000 to about 165,000.

As the climax of these intense hearings, Mr Bush himself will present
his latest assessment on whether a set of benchmarks mandated by
Congress are being met on the ground in Iraq.

Today's speech was the latest clear indication that he will resist any
attempt to change course in the prosecution of the war, despite
mounting pressure from the now-dominant Democrats in Congress and from
influential Republicans.
End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-08-29 22:57:05 UTC
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Study: US preparing 'massive' military attack against Iran Larisa
Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday August 28, 2007




The United States has the capacity for and may be prepared to launch
without warning a massive assault on Iranian uranium enrichment
facilities, as well as government buildings and infrastructure, using
long-range bombers and missiles, according to a new analysis.

The paper, "Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in
the Middle East" - written by well-respected British scholar and arms
expert Dr. Dan Plesch, Director of the Centre for International
Studies and Diplomacy of the School of Oriental and African Studies
(SOAS) at the University of London, and Martin Butcher, a former
Director of the British American Security Information Council (BASIC)
and former adviser to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the European
Parliament - was exclusively provided to RAW STORY late Friday under
embargo.

"We wrote the report partly as we were surprised that this sort of
quite elementary analysis had not been produced by the many well
resourced Institutes in the United States," wrote Plesch in an email
to Raw Story on Tuesday.

Plesch and Butcher examine "what the military option might involve if
it were picked up off the table and put into action" and conclude that
based on open source analysis and their own assessments, the US has
prepared its military for a "massive" attack against Iran, requiring
little contingency planning and without a ground invasion.

The study concludes that the US has made military preparations to
destroy Iran's WMD, nuclear energy, regime, armed forces, state
apparatus and economic infrastructure within days if not hours of
President George W. Bush giving the order. The US is not publicising
the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make
confrontation more likely. The US retains the option of avoiding war,
but using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran's
actions.

Any attack is likely to be on a massive multi-front scale but avoiding
a ground invasion. Attacks focused on WMD facilities would leave Iran
too many retaliatory options, leave President Bush open to the charge
of using too little force and leave the regime intact.

US bombers and long range missiles are ready today to destroy 10,000
targets in Iran in a few hours.

US ground, air and marine forces already in the Gulf, Iraq, and
Afghanistan can devastate Iranian forces, the regime and the state at
short notice.

Some form of low level US and possibly UK military action as well as
armed popular resistance appear underway inside the Iranian provinces
or ethnic areas of the Azeri, Balujistan, Kurdistan and Khuzestan.
Iran was unable to prevent sabotage of its offshore-to-shore crude oil
pipelines in 2005.

Nuclear weapons are ready, but most unlikely, to be used by the US,
the UK and Israel. The human, political and environmental effects
would be devastating, while their military value is limited.

Israel is determined to prevent Iran acquiring nuclear weapons yet has
the conventional military capability only to wound Iran's WMD
programmes.

The attitude of the UK is uncertain, with the Brown government and
public opinion opposed psychologically to more war, yet, were Brown to
support an attack he would probably carry a vote in Parliament. The UK
is adamant that Iran must not acquire the bomb.

The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter
Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely. The US retains the
option of avoiding war, but using its forces as part of an overall
strategy of shaping Iran's actions.
When asked why the paper seems to indicate a certainty of Iranian WMD,
Plesch made clear that "our paper is not, repeat not, about what Iran
actually has or not." Yet, he added that "Iran certainly has missiles
and probably some chemical capability."

Most significantly, Plesch and Butcher dispute conventional wisdom
that any US attack on Iran would be confined to its nuclear sites.
Instead, they foresee a "full-spectrum approach," designed to either
instigate an overthrow of the government or reduce Iran to the status
of "a weak or failed state." Although they acknowledge potential risks
and impediments that might deter the Bush administration from carrying
out such a massive attack, they also emphasize that the
administration's National Security Strategy includes as a major goal
the elimination of Iran as a regional power. They suggest, therefore,
that:

This wider form of air attack would be the most likely to delay the
Iranian nuclear program for a sufficiently long period of time to meet
the administration's current counterproliferation goals. It would also
be consistent with the possible goal of employing military action is
to overthrow the current Iranian government, since it would severely
degrade the capability of the Iranian military (in particular
revolutionary guards units and other ultra-loyalists) to keep armed
opposition and separatist movements under control. It would also
achieve the US objective of neutralizing Iran as a power in the region
for many years to come.

However, it is the option that contains the greatest risk of increased
global tension and hatred of the United States. The US would have few,
if any allies for such a mission beyond Israel (and possibly the UK).
Once undertaken, the imperatives for success would be enormous.
Butcher says he does not believe the US would use nuclear weapons,
with some exceptions.

"My opinion is that [nuclear weapons] wouldn't be used unless there
was definite evidence that Iran has them too or is about to acquire
them in a matter of days/weeks," notes Butcher. "However, the Natanz
facility has been so hardened that to destroy it MAY require nuclear
weapons, and once an attack had started it may simply be a matter of
following military logic and doctrine to full extent, which would call
for the use of nukes if all other means failed."

Military Strategy

The bulk of the paper is devoted to a detailed analysis of specific
military strategies for such an attack, of ongoing attempts to
destabilize Iran by inciting its ethnic minorities, and of the
considerations surrounding the possible employment of nuclear weapons.

In particular, Plesch and Butcher examine what is known as Global
Strike - the capability to project military power from the United
States to anywhere in the world, which was announced by STRATCOM as
having initial operational capability in December 2005. It is the that
capacity that could provide strategic bombers and missiles to
devastate Iran on just a few hours notice.

Iran has a weak air force and anti aircraft capability, almost all of
it is 20-30 years old and it lacks modern integrated communications.
Not only will these forces be rapidly destroyed by US air power, but
Iranian ground and air forces will have to fight without protection
from air attack.

British military sources stated on condition of anonymity, that "the
US military switched its whole focus to Iran" from March 2003. It
continued this focus even though it had infantry bogged down in
fighting the insurgency in Iraq.
Global Strike could be combined with already-existing "regional
operational plans for limited war with Iran, such as Oplan 1002-04,
for an attack on the western province of Kuzhestan, or Oplan 1019
which deals with preventing Iran from closing the Straits of Hormuz,
and therefore keeping open oil lanes vital to the US economy."

The Marines are not all tied down fighting in Iraq. Several Marine
forces are assembling in the Gulf, each with its own aircraft carrier.
These carrier forces can each conduct a version of the D-Day landings.
They come with landing craft, tanks, jump-jets, thousands of troops
and hundreds more cruise missiles. Their task is to destroy Iranian
forces able to attack oil tankers and to secure oilfields and
installations. They have trained for this mission since the Iranian
revolution of 1979 as is indicated in this battle map of Hormuz
illustrating an advert for combat training software.
Special Forces units - which are believed to already be operating
within Iran - would be available to carry out search-and-destroy
missions and incite internal uprisings, while US Army units in both
Iraq and Afghanistan could mount air and missile attacks on Iranian
forces, which are heavily concentrated along the Iran-Iraq border, as
well as protecting their own supply lines within Iraq:

A key assessment in any war with Iran concerns Basra province and the
Kuwait border. It is likely that Iran and its sympathizers could take
control of population centres and interrupt oil supplies, if it was in
their interest to do so. However it is unlikely that they could make
any sustained effort against Kuwait or interrupt supply lines north
from Kuwait to central Iraq. US firepower is simply too great for any
Iranian conventional force.
Experts question the report's conclusions

Former CIA analyst and Deputy Director for Transportation Security,
Antiterrorism Assistance Training, and Special Operations in the State
Department's Office of Counterterrorism, Larry Johnson, does not agree
with the report's findings.

"The report seems to accept without question that US air force and
navy bombers could effectively destroy Iran and they seem to ignore
the fact that US use of air power in Iraq has failed to destroy all
major military, political, economic and transport capabilities," said
Johnson late Monday after the embargo on the study had been lifted.

"But at least in their conclusions they still acknowledge that Iran,
if attacked, would be able to retaliate. Yet they are vague in terms
of detailing the extent of the damage that the Iran is capable of
inflicting on the US and fairly assessing what those risks are."

There is also the situation of US soldiers in Iraq and the supply
routes that would have to be protected to ensure that US forces had
what they needed. Plesch explains that ""firepower is an effective
means of securing supply routes during conventional war and in
conventional war a higher loss rate is expected."

"However as we say do not assume that the Iraqi Shiia will rally to
Tehran - the quietist Shiia tradition favoured by Sistani may regard
itself as justified if imploding Iranian power can be argued to reduce
US problems in Iraq, not increase them."

John Pike, Director of Global Security, a Washington-based military,
intelligence, and security clearinghouse, says that the question of
Iraq is the one issue at the center of any questions regarding Iran.

"The situation in Iraq is a wild card, though it may be presumed that
Iran would mount attacks on the US at some remove, rather than
upsetting the apple-cart in its own front yard," wrote Pike in an
email.

Political Considerations

Plesch and Butcher write with concern about the political context
within the United States:

This debate is bleeding over into the 2008 Presidential election, with
evidence mounting that despite the public unpopularity of the war in
Iraq, Iran is emerging as an issue over which Presidential candidates
in both major American parties can show their strong national security
bona fides. ...

The debate on how to deal with Iran is thus occurring in a political
context in the US that is hard for those in Europe or the Middle East
to understand. A context that may seem to some to be divorced from
reality, but with the US ability to project military power across the
globe, the reality of Washington DC is one that matters perhaps above
all else. ...

We should not underestimate the Bush administration's ability to
convince itself that an "Iran of the regions" will emerge from a post-
rubble Iran. So, do not be in the least surprised if the United States
attacks Iran. Timing is an open question, but it is hard to find
convincing arguments that war will be avoided, or at least ones that
are convincing in Washington.
Plesch and Butcher are also interested in the attitudes of the current
UK government, which has carefully avoided revealing what its position
might be in the case of an attack. They point out, however, "One key
caution is that regardless of the realities of Iran's programme, the
British public and elite may simply refuse to participate - almost out
of bloody minded revenge for the Iraq deceit."

And they conclude that even "if the attack is 'successful' and the US
reasserts its global military dominance and reduces Iran to the status
of an oil-rich failed state, then the risks to humanity in general and
to the states of the Middle East are grave indeed."

Larisa Alexandrovna is managing editor of investigative news for Raw
Story and regularly reports on intelligence and national security
stories. Contact: ***@rawstory.com

Muriel Kane is research director for Raw Story.



________________________________________________________________________________________________


Predicted in the bible.


Daniel 8:3-11 (New International Version)


3 I looked up, and there before me was a ram with two horns, standing
beside the canal, and the horns were long. One of the horns was
longer
than the other but grew up later. 4 I watched the ram as he charged
toward the west and the north and the south. No animal could stand
against him, and none could rescue from his power. He did as he
pleased and became great.


(Note: As explained later the two horns represent 2 powers, Media
and
Persia which are pretty much Iraq and Iran now a days. Also keep in
mind that the other power/horn started pushing it's weight around
after the first horn, i.e. that horn grew up later. Iraq has been
made
powerless and Iran is next.)


5 As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent
horn
between his eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without
touching the ground. 6 He came toward the two-horned ram I had seen
standing beside the canal and charged at him in great rage. 7 I saw
him attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering his two
horns. The ram was powerless to stand against him; the goat knocked
him to the ground and trampled on him, and none could rescue the ram
from his power.


(Note this goat is explained as a Greek Goat, Democracy is a Greek
government and it is the democratic countries that knocked the first
horn off, making Iraq powerless. Iran is to share the same fate. This
Prominent horn is the U.S. which has and is leading the attack on the
Ram, also note that it is a flying goat i.e. these wars are mostly
fought from the air. The ram is not killed but made powerless.)


8 The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his
large
horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up
toward the four winds of heaven.


(Note: Afterwards the U.S. will not be in charge i.e. the prominent
horn breaks off and 4 others grow in the U.S. place, 4 powers leading
this democracy or democratic countries uniting into 4 groups.)


9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew
in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land.
10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw
some
of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set
itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host; it took away the
daily sacrifice from him, and the place of his sanctuary was brought
low.


(Note: Out of one of these 4 powers the Antichrist will emerge, the
little horn controlling the one group which will end up controlling
the democratic/greek goat.


19 He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the
time
of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.
20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and
Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn
between his eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced
the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge
from his nation but will not have the same power.


23 "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become
completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will
arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He
will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he
does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. 25 He will
cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When
they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the
Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.


(Note this stern face King and the little horn on one of the 4 horns
is the same, the Antichrist.)


End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
David Morgan (MAMS)
2007-08-29 23:12:17 UTC
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ADMINISTRATION SOURCE CONFIRMS DETERMINATION TO ATTACK IRAN

If you thought the Cheney White House could not be so crazy as to
attack Iran given the existing debacle in Iraq, we have news for you.
They ARE that crazy. As reported by Time magazine on line last week,
an administration official declared unilaterally "There will be an
attack on Iran", based on the totally bogus assertion that they are
the source for the IEDs being used in Iraq. And the only way to stop
the insanity is to impeach the Vice President immediately.

ACTION PAGE ON CHENEY IMPEACHMENT:
http://www.actspeak.com/cheney_impeachment.php

Never mind that all anyone has to do is Google the words "missing
explosives iraq" and in seconds you will find all the links to how
340 bulk tons of the most powerful military explosives just walked
away from the Al Qa'qaa storage depot and others, which HAD been
under U.N. seal, until they were left entirely unguarded for a month
and a half while the U.S. military was only interested in protecting
the oil ministry.

Never mind that all one of the strategic Keystone Cops in the Vice
President's office would have to do is Google the words "ieds copper
discs" and in seconds they too would find all the links to how local
machine shops in Iraq were cranking out the parts needed to make all
those IEDS as a cottage industry, given that they now have enough
stolen high explosives stockpiled for a 200 year insurgency at
current rates of attacks.

And yet still the push is from Cheney's office to tell even bigger
lies about Iran than he ever told about Iraq, and to escalate yet
another fraudulent casus belli into world war with a billion Muslims,
99.999 percent of whom would have rather just be left alone in peace
had we not gone out of our way to bomb their cities.

ACTION PAGE ON CHENEY IMPEACHMENT:
http://www.actspeak.com/cheney_impeachment.php

Remember that Cheney is the originator of the irrational 1 percent
doctrine, by which he asserted that even if the chance of potential
threat is very small we must act preemptively to take that threat
out. As a result of such doctrinaire dogma, 99 percent of the million
Iraqis killed so far, and of the millions more made into refugees or
maimed, have been innocent bystander civilians. That's a whole lot of
hearts and minds. Operating with at most 1 percent intelligence, and
99 percent the certainty of a paranoid, delusional madman, Dick
Cheney has turned U.S. foreign policy into a self-fulfilling
disaster.

This is the same Dick Cheney who when interviewed in 1994 explained
(in a private assessment he wishes he could suppress now) what a bad
idea it would have been to try to depose Saddam by ourselves all
alone with nobody from the region with us, and how it would lead to
nothing but a quagmire and Iraq flying apart into sectarian pieces.
THAT 9/11 did not change. But were they candid with the American
people about the risks of an occupation of Iraq? No, they lied about
that too. They told us it would be a six week cake walk with candy
and flowers, to sucker us into sacrificing thousands of American
lives and a trillion dollars from our treasury to Cheney's war
profiteering cronies, only to then tell us that's the reason we can't
just leave now.

Only impeachment can save us now. Only impeachment can remove Cheney
from office before he sucks America into an even more horrendous
quagmire. We do not have time for the next election to save us. With
more and more evidence surfacing that the last two presidential
elections were stolen outright, with them putting into place secret
presidential directives to declare martial law and worse in response
to the crisis they themselves are determined to precipitate, only if
you speak out now can we save ourselves.

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martus
2007-10-23 03:47:42 UTC
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PRINCE CHARLES PROCLAIMED "SAVIOR OF THE WORLD" AND A STATUE IS
PLANNED FOR HIM! Part 2 In Antichrist Series

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1678.cfm

NEWS BRIEF: "Winged Prince is 'Savior of the World' ", Fox News Life,
March 7, 2002.

"LONDON - The Prince of Wales is to be immortalized in bronze as a
muscular, winged god dressed in nothing more than a loincloth. He will
be the first living member of the Royal Family to have a life-size
statue dedicated in his honor. Although the Prince is destined to
become Defender of the Faith when he becomes King of England, the
inscription on the statue in Brazil will honor him as 'Savior of the
World'." [Emphasis added]

This designation just reeks of the title Antichrist is planning to
take upon himself when he appears on the world scene. He will come
striding though the smoke, dust, and destruction of the planned Third
World War [NEWS1056] to establish "peace and safety", amidst great
"lying signs and wonders". He will deceive the entire population of
the world -- except for God's Elect -- because a mighty demonic spirit
of lying and deception will blow through the world at the time he
appears.

Let us go back to this article:

"He is shown naked, apart from the loincloth, with giant, angel-like
wings protruding from his back. His arms are extended as if offering
comfort and security. The statue will dominate the town square, to be
named after the Prince, in Palmas, the state capital of Tocantins on
the edge of the rainforest. The sculpture, which will invite
comparisons with the statue of Christ overlooking Rio de Janeiro from
Corcovado, is set on a marble base. At its feet is an untidy mass of
human bodies, one drinking from a bottle of wine, which is said to
represent the world in a mess which the Prince is busy saving."

If you look closely at this statute, you can see the teeming mass of
humanity mired in what looks like mud, looking up expectantly at this
winged Prince Charles. Since Winged Charles is so much larger than the
people below, he looks positively huge in comparison. He looks divine;
coming to "rescue" mankind, to give us "peace and safety".

"Jose Wilson Sequeira Campos, the Governor of Tocantins, in central
Brazil, said: 'It is Prince Charles saving the world. We think he is
deserving of it.' While the muscular physique of the statue, complete
with bulging pectorals, may not immediately shout Prince Charles, the
facial features are unmistakable, even if he has a full head of hair
and small, pinned back ears."

Prince Charles saving the world? Many people remember him as being
proud and haughty, and mean to the beloved Princess Diana; however,
Charles traveled a long way back in many people's minds when he went
to Diana's defense against the Mother Queen, after Di had been killed.
Further, remember that the man who will ultimately be Antichrist will
be a practitioner of Black Magick Witchcraft, just as Daniel 8:23-25
foretells; therefore, he will absolutely ooze charm once he appears on
earth, for there are powerful charm rituals guaranteed to "charm"
anyone not saved by the Blood of the Lamb!

_________________________________________________________

Note these important points:

1 He sees himself as the defender of all faiths pagen/occult and
Christian alike, a saviour of the world.

2 He participates in occultic rituals due to his involment in masonary
and is probably the head of all freemasons around the world.





End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-11-11 22:07:19 UTC
Permalink
martus
2008-02-15 22:55:52 UTC
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Clinton Hears Voices from Beyond: 'Keep Going'

ABC News' Eloise Harper and Kate Snow Report: In McAllen, Texas this
morning Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., said she wasn't giving up on
her race for the White House.

Speaking about her work in South Texas as an organizer for George
McGovern's 1972 presidential campaign, Clinton said two strong Texas
women inspired her -- Congresswoman Barbara Jordan and Texas Governor
Ann Richards.

Clinton said they taught her about courage and determination. Then
she suggested that she is hearing from them even as her campaign
struggles to compete after a string of losses.

"I can hear their voices saying, 'You keep going! You give the people
a real choice about the future!'" she said at a campaign event.

Jordan was the first black woman elected to the Texas state
legislature and served in the U.S. House of Representatives from
1973-79. She died in 1996. Richards, a larger-than-life Governor,
passed away in 2006.

____________________________________________________________________

NEW YORK -- If author Edward Klein is to be believed, New York
Senator
Hillary Clinton is a lying, cheating, left-wing lesbian who had a
long-running affair with a male friend and craves power above all
else.

________________________________________________________

The wives of two U.S. Presidents, Nancy Reagan and Hillary
Clinton, were subject to public examination after it was discovered
they consulted with psychics. Hillary Clinton went so far as to
channel "conversations" with the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt.

____________________________________________________________________

Before Babylon can be burnt, she must have her witch queen!


Revelation 18:7-10 (NRSV)


7 As she glorified herself and lived luxuriously,
so give her a like measure of torment and grief.
Since in her heart she says,


'I rule as a queen;
I am no widow,
and I will never see grief,'


8 therefore her plagues will come in a single day-
pestilence and mourning and famine-
and she will be burned with fire;
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."


9 And the kings of the earth, who committed fornication and lived in
luxury with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke
of
her burning; 10 they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and
say,


"Alas, alas, the great city,
Babylon, the mighty city!
For in one hour your judgment has come."


Revelation 18:23 (NRSV)
23 and the light of a lamp
will shine in you no more;
and the voice of bridegroom and bride
will be heard in you no more;


for your merchants were the magnates of the earth,
and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.


More on Babylon and the Beast here:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/05-WAR.html
martus
2008-02-24 22:23:35 UTC
Permalink
666 in Hebrew looks like a square, a circle and a verticle line (see
here

http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html (at the bottom of
that page)

and should remind people of a socket which is the direstion technology
is heading, the brain machine interfaces. The clearest signials will
always be under the skin and in the frontal lobe emotions can be
controlled with the right electrical signal i.e. instant happiness at
the switch of a pulse.

___________________________________________________________


Mind-controlled gaming headset unveiled
By Andrew Ramadge, Technology Reporter February 22, 2008 12:14pm


Emotiv to release a headset that lets the wearer play videogames
simply by thinking

A NEUROHEADSET that allows the wearer to play videogames simply by
thinking has been unveiled at the Game Developers Conference in San
Francisco and will go on sale later this year.
The Emotiv EPOC "brain-computer interface device" looks like a
headphone strap with 14 neurosensors that branch off it like fingers.
The sensors sit on the sides of the temple and top of the head.

The device can detect conscious thoughts, areas of brain activity,
facial expressions and even some emotions such as frustration, shock
and anger, and will cost about $US300 ($326) when it is released in
late 2008.

The EPOC will ship with a range of games designed specifically for the
headset, but gamers will also be able to use it with existing PC
titles by mapping certain thoughts to keystroke patterns.

"Being able to control a computer with your mind is the ultimate quest
of human-machine interaction," said Emotiv Systems CEO, Nam Do.

Related links
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Business: States fight over local game industry
"When integrated into games, virtual worlds and other simulated
environments, this technology will have a profound impact on the
user's experience."

Gaming journalist Brian Crecente, who tried the EPOC at the
conference, said the sensation of having his thoughts affect actions
on the screen was "quite strange".

"To start you need to quickly synch your brain, teaching the computer
to recognise the thought you use to perform the specific action. In my
case I imagined the box in the centre of the monitor drifting away,"
he said.

"After doing this for a second or two, while the program 'recorded'
they asked me to give it a try and it worked. Imagining the box
floating up off the top of the screen, I was surprised to see it waver
and then slowly move upwards until it disappeared.

"I laughed in surprise and the box immediately dropped back down
again."

Emotiv also said it would work with computer giant IBM to explore
potential business uses for the technology, including virtual training
and simulation courses.

"As interactions in virtual environments become more complex, mice and
keyboards alone may soon be inadequate," said vice-president of IBM's
digital convergence division Paul Ledak.

"BCI (brain-computer interfacing) is an important component of the 3D
internet and the future of virtual communication."
_________________________________________________________________




And then they could not break that addiction to filth as they
satisfied there lusts as if they were actual doing it as when the
brain is hooked up with the machine then that what is pumped into the
brain becomes the reality. The forehead which is the outside of the
frontal lobes which are the very core center of your emotions and
your
being will not know the difference. Welcome to the Matrix of HELL.


Revelation 13:16-18 (New International Version)


16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so
that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.


18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate
the
number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.


Revelation 13:16
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,


Revelation 13:17
so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.


Revelation 14:9
9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the
forehead
or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury,
which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb.


Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no
rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or
for anyone who receives the mark of his name."


Revelation 16:2
The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly
and
painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast
and worshiped his image.


Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had
performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had
deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped
his
image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of
burning sulfur.


Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority
to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because
of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had
not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on
their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with
Christ a thousand years.


End Times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/03-DESTROYERS.html
Zadok
2008-02-25 00:07:41 UTC
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"martus" <> wrote in message ...
Post by martus
666 in Hebrew looks like a square, a circle and a verticle line (see
here
Actually the six six six are just sloppy zeros.

It actually is 000.

And that is the measurement of Duke's IQ.

Smile.
martus
2008-03-20 22:23:40 UTC
Permalink
Brain-Computer Interfaces for Manipulating Dreams

Michael Anissimov
Michael Anissimov


Accelerating Future

Posted: Mar 19, 2008


A first-generation commercial brain-computer interface (BCI) is being
released by Emotiv Systems later this year. What does the future hold
for BCI?

By 2050, and likely sooner, you will be able to buy a BCI device that
records all your dreams in their entirety. This will be done in one
of two ways. One method would be to use distributed nanobots less
than a micrometer in diameter to spread throughout the brain and
monitor the activation patterns of neurons.





By this point, cognitive science will have advanced enough to know
which neural activation patterns correspond to which sensory
experiences. This has already been done with cats (using electrodes,
not nanobots), where researchers led by scientist Garrett Stanley were
able to extrapolate what a cat was seeing merely by monitoring the
neurons of its visual cortex. Here are some images they obtained:





The next steps will be to increase the resolution, add monitoring of
emotions, sounds, and smells, and make it safe for human use. An
alternative route, if nanobots are still not ready for commercial
deployment by 2050, is to have minimally invasive surgery where tiny
holes, no larger than a grain of sand, are drilled in the skull.
Electronic nanofibers could be routed through these holes from a port
on the outside to neurons throughout the brain. The holes could be
protected by a plastic membrane, ensuring that no foreign particles
could pass through them into the brain. The access ports on the scalp
would be compatible with a BCI headset designed to monitor activity in
specific neural groups and selectively stimulate neurons according to
a program.

A major challenge, of course, would be to get FDA approval for such a
device. The therapeutic and practical benefits of a high-resolution
BCI device are so large that if it can be shown not to cause any
damage or negative side-effects to its user, approval seems likely.

If the BCI device offers input to the brain as well as recording
output, then dreams could be played back too. A Dream Machine would
let us show our dreams to others. If we know which neural activation
pattern corresponds to which perceptions (sight, sounds, etc.), it's
not a huge leap to selectively stimulate neurons to produce customized
dream scenarios, or even enter the dreams of others in action. (In
ascending order of technological difficulty.)

Manipulating our dreams... how many thousands of years has humanity
waited for this? Here's a frequent kind of background I see in my
dreams:





...other things I see include gigantic academic complexes, cliff
networks, green hills overlooking sunny blue bays, and many others.
I'm sure you can imagine hundreds of scenarios from your dreams, many
of which seem so fleeting. But it won't necessarily be that way
forever.

The possible societal effects of a Dream Machine would be immense.
Dream recordings and recreations would offer an opportunity to:

1) Validate or refute Freudian theories about the connections of
dreams to subconscious or conscious psychological states.

2) Create a "science of dreams", or oneirology, that organizes all
available dream data, breaks up dreams into categories, studies which
type of people get which dreams, etc.

3) Create a "dream entertainment industry" where people choose to have
customized dreams, with features like greater visual complexity or
richness of colors, or even massively multiplayer dreams.

4) The possible rise of "dream celebrities" -- people who freely upload
their dreams for others to examine, followed by a positive reception.
People might lead double lives -- boring accountant by day, world-
famous lucid dreamer by night. Some people might even get paid for
their dreams.

5) Uncover the hidden world of dreams that barely rise above our
subconscious. People tend to have several dreams per night, but
remember only one or two. We experience these dreams when they
happen, our brain just neglects to transfer the information content
into long-term memory. (The reasons for this are likely evolutionary
-- we would get confused about reality if we remembered too many of our
dreams.) Imagine if we could record all these dreams and play them
back at will. With enough storage density (molecular memory), you
could even store your dreams on a pendant around your neck.

6) Convert dream-worlds into real-worlds; amusement parks based on
dreams, or utility fog banks that quickly morph in response to a given
personal or collective dreamscape. Or vice versa: turn real world
places and people into dream objects.

7) In general, blur the line between dreams and reality by making
dreams more tangible, manipulable, interactive, customizable, and
social. Bring dreams "in from the cold". Make dreams as mysterious,
colorful, productive, foreign, erotic, or mundane as you want them to
be.

Considering these possibilities, the first thing that makes me nervous
is that people would institute inappropriate regulations over the use
of this technology. For instance, some groups of people might hate
the idea of removing some of the "mystery of dreams" (like how modern
biology ostensibly dispels some of the mystery of life, or modern
physics dispels some of the mystery of nature) through technology. As
someone who is socially liberal, barring sufficiently negative
externalities, I'd advocate light regulation on this technology.
Heavy regulation should be saved for more dangerous technologies such
as synthetic biology and molecular nanotechnology

Possible risks:

1) If dreams start to be run on servers, hacking or computer viruses
could be a problem. In most cases, this would likely just result in
the dream shutting down (not a big deal -- this already happens all the
time), but if your dream got hijacked, someone could use them to
threaten or attempt to brainwash you. This is what doubters will
focus on excessively -- but remember, our brain and body is already
acceptable to "viruses" -- including real viruses, bacteria, prions,
and parasites, but we manage to defend against it. Eventually, we
will develop computers with technological immune systems as complex
and effective as the human immune system, it will just take time.
Even if dream-recording BCI devices are possible, dream-manipulating
BCI devices may have to wait until computer security catches up.

2) Communication through dreams could make it more difficult for
parents to control their children, or for regimes to control their
populations, by opening up the information channels they have access
to. In this regard, the challenge would be similar to a magnified
version of the struggles already seen with the Internet in general.

3) A "delightful dream", so thoroughly enjoyable and amazing that it
spreads across the world, and all humanity is consumed by it. From
that point onward, we only develop our civilization for the purpose of
maintaining this euphoric state, a local maxima in the fitness
landscape of cultural progress and evolution. This might be a dream
that involves direct stimulation of the pleasure center. (For this
reason, it might be good to avoid building BCI devices that directly
stimulate the pleasure center.) The "delightful dream" scenario would
be considered a subset of wireheading. It might be more notorious,
though, because while many people wouldn't stick electrodes into their
head just to stimulate their pleasure center, they might be willing to
use a Dream Machine might, which could get them trapped in a wirehead
when they otherwise would avoid it.
____________________________________________________________

666 in Hebrew looks like a square, a circle and a verticle line (see
here


http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html (at the bottom of
that page)


and should remind people of a socket which is the direstion
technology
is heading, the brain machine interfaces. The clearest signials will
always be under the skin and in the frontal lobe emotions can be
controlled with the right electrical signal i.e. instant happiness at
the switch of a pulse.


And then they could not break that addiction to filth as they
satisfied there lusts as if they were actual doing it as when the
brain is hooked up with the machine then that what is pumped into the
brain becomes the reality. The forehead which is the outside of the
frontal lobes which are the very core center of your emotions and
your being will not know the difference. Welcome to the Matrix of
HELL.


Revelation 13:16-18 (New International Version)

16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so
that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.


18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate
the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.


Revelation 13:16
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,


Revelation 13:17
so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.


Revelation 14:9
9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the
forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's
fury,
which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will
be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb.


Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no
rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or
for anyone who receives the mark of his name."


2 Timothy 3
Godlessness in the Last Days
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful,
proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal,
not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of
pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5having a form of godliness but
denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
Mistylein
2008-03-21 07:38:32 UTC
Permalink
Go Figure from there.

6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 66 6 6 6 6 6 66 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
Are all one short of God so they all are human people one right after the other.
There is the answer to your riddle.

M,
Post by martus
Brain-Computer Interfaces for Manipulating Dreams
Michael Anissimov
Michael Anissimov
Accelerating Future
Posted: Mar 19, 2008
A first-generation commercial brain-computer interface (BCI) is being
released by Emotiv Systems later this year. What does the future hold
for BCI?
By 2050, and likely sooner, you will be able to buy a BCI device that
records all your dreams in their entirety. This will be done in one
of two ways. One method would be to use distributed nanobots less
than a micrometer in diameter to spread throughout the brain and
monitor the activation patterns of neurons.
By this point, cognitive science will have advanced enough to know
which neural activation patterns correspond to which sensory
experiences. This has already been done with cats (using electrodes,
not nanobots), where researchers led by scientist Garrett Stanley were
able to extrapolate what a cat was seeing merely by monitoring the
The next steps will be to increase the resolution, add monitoring of
emotions, sounds, and smells, and make it safe for human use. An
alternative route, if nanobots are still not ready for commercial
deployment by 2050, is to have minimally invasive surgery where tiny
holes, no larger than a grain of sand, are drilled in the skull.
Electronic nanofibers could be routed through these holes from a port
on the outside to neurons throughout the brain. The holes could be
protected by a plastic membrane, ensuring that no foreign particles
could pass through them into the brain. The access ports on the scalp
would be compatible with a BCI headset designed to monitor activity in
specific neural groups and selectively stimulate neurons according to
a program.
A major challenge, of course, would be to get FDA approval for such a
device. The therapeutic and practical benefits of a high-resolution
BCI device are so large that if it can be shown not to cause any
damage or negative side-effects to its user, approval seems likely.
If the BCI device offers input to the brain as well as recording
output, then dreams could be played back too. A Dream Machine would
let us show our dreams to others. If we know which neural activation
pattern corresponds to which perceptions (sight, sounds, etc.), it's
not a huge leap to selectively stimulate neurons to produce customized
dream scenarios, or even enter the dreams of others in action. (In
ascending order of technological difficulty.)
Manipulating our dreams... how many thousands of years has humanity
waited for this? Here's a frequent kind of background I see in my
...other things I see include gigantic academic complexes, cliff
networks, green hills overlooking sunny blue bays, and many others.
I'm sure you can imagine hundreds of scenarios from your dreams, many
of which seem so fleeting. But it won't necessarily be that way
forever.
The possible societal effects of a Dream Machine would be immense.
1) Validate or refute Freudian theories about the connections of
dreams to subconscious or conscious psychological states.
2) Create a "science of dreams", or oneirology, that organizes all
available dream data, breaks up dreams into categories, studies which
type of people get which dreams, etc.
3) Create a "dream entertainment industry" where people choose to have
customized dreams, with features like greater visual complexity or
richness of colors, or even massively multiplayer dreams.
4) The possible rise of "dream celebrities" -- people who freely upload
their dreams for others to examine, followed by a positive reception.
People might lead double lives -- boring accountant by day, world-
famous lucid dreamer by night. Some people might even get paid for
their dreams.
5) Uncover the hidden world of dreams that barely rise above our
subconscious. People tend to have several dreams per night, but
remember only one or two. We experience these dreams when they
happen, our brain just neglects to transfer the information content
into long-term memory. (The reasons for this are likely evolutionary
-- we would get confused about reality if we remembered too many of our
dreams.) Imagine if we could record all these dreams and play them
back at will. With enough storage density (molecular memory), you
could even store your dreams on a pendant around your neck.
6) Convert dream-worlds into real-worlds; amusement parks based on
dreams, or utility fog banks that quickly morph in response to a given
personal or collective dreamscape. Or vice versa: turn real world
places and people into dream objects.
7) In general, blur the line between dreams and reality by making
dreams more tangible, manipulable, interactive, customizable, and
social. Bring dreams "in from the cold". Make dreams as mysterious,
colorful, productive, foreign, erotic, or mundane as you want them to
be.
Considering these possibilities, the first thing that makes me nervous
is that people would institute inappropriate regulations over the use
of this technology. For instance, some groups of people might hate
the idea of removing some of the "mystery of dreams" (like how modern
biology ostensibly dispels some of the mystery of life, or modern
physics dispels some of the mystery of nature) through technology. As
someone who is socially liberal, barring sufficiently negative
externalities, I'd advocate light regulation on this technology.
Heavy regulation should be saved for more dangerous technologies such
as synthetic biology and molecular nanotechnology
1) If dreams start to be run on servers, hacking or computer viruses
could be a problem. In most cases, this would likely just result in
the dream shutting down (not a big deal -- this already happens all the
time), but if your dream got hijacked, someone could use them to
threaten or attempt to brainwash you. This is what doubters will
focus on excessively -- but remember, our brain and body is already
acceptable to "viruses" -- including real viruses, bacteria, prions,
and parasites, but we manage to defend against it. Eventually, we
will develop computers with technological immune systems as complex
and effective as the human immune system, it will just take time.
Even if dream-recording BCI devices are possible, dream-manipulating
BCI devices may have to wait until computer security catches up.
2) Communication through dreams could make it more difficult for
parents to control their children, or for regimes to control their
populations, by opening up the information channels they have access
to. In this regard, the challenge would be similar to a magnified
version of the struggles already seen with the Internet in general.
3) A "delightful dream", so thoroughly enjoyable and amazing that it
spreads across the world, and all humanity is consumed by it. From
that point onward, we only develop our civilization for the purpose of
maintaining this euphoric state, a local maxima in the fitness
landscape of cultural progress and evolution. This might be a dream
that involves direct stimulation of the pleasure center. (For this
reason, it might be good to avoid building BCI devices that directly
stimulate the pleasure center.) The "delightful dream" scenario would
be considered a subset of wireheading. It might be more notorious,
though, because while many people wouldn't stick electrodes into their
head just to stimulate their pleasure center, they might be willing to
use a Dream Machine might, which could get them trapped in a wirehead
when they otherwise would avoid it.
____________________________________________________________
666 in Hebrew looks like a square, a circle and a verticle line (see
here
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html (at the bottom of
that page)
and should remind people of a socket which is the direstion
technology
is heading, the brain machine interfaces. The clearest signials will
always be under the skin and in the frontal lobe emotions can be
controlled with the right electrical signal i.e. instant happiness at
the switch of a pulse.
And then they could not break that addiction to filth as they
satisfied there lusts as if they were actual doing it as when the
brain is hooked up with the machine then that what is pumped into the
brain becomes the reality. The forehead which is the outside of the
frontal lobes which are the very core center of your emotions and
your being will not know the difference. Welcome to the Matrix of
HELL.
Revelation 13:16-18 (New International Version)
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so
that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate
the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
Revelation 13:16
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
Revelation 13:17
so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name.
Revelation 14:9
9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone
worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the
forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's
fury,
which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will
be
tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no
rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or
for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
2 Timothy 3
Godlessness in the Last Days
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful,
proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal,
not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of
pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5having a form of godliness but
denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
martus
2008-04-08 23:17:22 UTC
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Grains Gone Wild


By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: April 7, 2008
These days you hear a lot about the world financial crisis. But
there's another world crisis under way -- and it's hurting a lot more
people.



Paul Krugman

The Conscience of a Liberal I'm talking about the food crisis. Over
the past few years the prices of wheat, corn, rice and other basic
foodstuffs have doubled or tripled, with much of the increase taking
place just in the last few months. High food prices dismay even
relatively well-off Americans -- but they're truly devastating in poor
countries, where food often accounts for more than half a family's
spending.

There have already been food riots around the world. Food-supplying
countries, from Ukraine to Argentina, have been limiting exports in an
attempt to protect domestic consumers, leading to angry protests from
farmers -- and making things even worse in countries that need to
import food.

How did this happen? The answer is a combination of long-term trends,
bad luck -- and bad policy.

Let's start with the things that aren't anyone's fault.

First, there's the march of the meat-eating Chinese -- that is, the
growing number of people in emerging economies who are, for the first
time, rich enough to start eating like Westerners. Since it takes
about 700 calories' worth of animal feed to produce a 100-calorie
piece of beef, this change in diet increases the overall demand for
grains.

Second, there's the price of oil. Modern farming is highly energy-
intensive: a lot of B.T.U.'s go into producing fertilizer, running
tractors and, not least, transporting farm products to consumers. With
oil persistently above $100 per barrel, energy costs have become a
major factor driving up agricultural costs.

High oil prices, by the way, also have a lot to do with the growth of
China and other emerging economies. Directly and indirectly, these
rising economic powers are competing with the rest of us for scarce
resources, including oil and farmland, driving up prices for raw
materials of all sorts.

Third, there has been a run of bad weather in key growing areas. In
particular, Australia, normally the world's second-largest wheat
exporter, has been suffering from an epic drought.

O.K., I said that these factors behind the food crisis aren't anyone's
fault, but that's not quite true. The rise of China and other emerging
economies is the main force driving oil prices, but the invasion of
Iraq -- which proponents promised would lead to cheap oil -- has also
reduced oil supplies below what they would have been otherwise.

And bad weather, especially the Australian drought, is probably
related to climate change. So politicians and governments that have
stood in the way of action on greenhouse gases bear some
responsibility for food shortages.

Where the effects of bad policy are clearest, however, is in the rise
of demon ethanol and other biofuels.

The subsidized conversion of crops into fuel was supposed to promote
energy independence and help limit global warming. But this promise
was, as Time magazine bluntly put it, a "scam."

This is especially true of corn ethanol: even on optimistic estimates,
producing a gallon of ethanol from corn uses most of the energy the
gallon contains. But it turns out that even seemingly "good" biofuel
policies, like Brazil's use of ethanol from sugar cane, accelerate the
pace of climate change by promoting deforestation.

And meanwhile, land used to grow biofuel feedstock is land not
available to grow food, so subsidies to biofuels are a major factor in
the food crisis. You might put it this way: people are starving in
Africa so that American politicians can court votes in farm states.

Oh, and in case you're wondering: all the remaining presidential
contenders are terrible on this issue.

One more thing: one reason the food crisis has gotten so severe, so
fast, is that major players in the grain market grew complacent.

Governments and private grain dealers used to hold large inventories
in normal times, just in case a bad harvest created a sudden shortage.
Over the years, however, these precautionary inventories were allowed
to shrink, mainly because everyone came to believe that countries
suffering crop failures could always import the food they needed.

This left the world food balance highly vulnerable to a crisis
affecting many countries at once -- in much the same way that the
marketing of complex financial securities, which was supposed to
diversify away risk, left world financial markets highly vulnerable to
a systemwide shock.

What should be done? The most immediate need is more aid to people in
distress: the U.N.'s World Food Program put out a desperate appeal for
more funds.

We also need a pushback against biofuels, which turn out to have been
a terrible mistake.

But it's not clear how much can be done. Cheap food, like cheap oil,
may be a thing of the past.

____________________________________________________________________


Revelation 6:5-6 (New International Version)


5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living
creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse!
Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what
sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A
quart[a] of wheat for a day's wages,[b] and three quarts of barley for
a day's wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

________________

The time of the end people will work all day for a handful of food.

End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
john w <johnw@yahoo.com>
2008-04-09 16:13:49 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:17:22 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
But it's not clear how much can be done. Cheap food, like cheap oil,
may be a thing of the past.
Absolutely.
What angers me is the fact that once good, fertile farmland has been
turned into big-box stores and parking lots.
People would rather import fruits and vegetables instead of working
the good earth themselves, in many cases, but thank God there are
still those who enjoy growing their own.
I first started gardening as a hobby-- but soon the time will come
when it will a NECESSITY if things don't turn around.
What do you think, Martus?
John W need NOT reply, since he is not invited into this
discussion.
^ ^ ^ Hmmm.. I can't remember the last time Elaine the Insane
"waited for an invite" into a discussion.

"That'll be the day hell freezes over."
NOSPAM
2008-04-10 15:46:27 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:17:22 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
But it's not clear how much can be done. Cheap food, like cheap oil,
may be a thing of the past.
Absolutely.
What angers me is the fact that once good, fertile farmland has been
turned into big-box stores and parking lots.
People would rather import fruits and vegetables instead of working
the good earth themselves, in many cases, but thank God there are
still those who enjoy growing their own.
I first started gardening as a hobby-- but soon the time will come
when it will a NECESSITY if things don't turn around.
What do you think, Martus?
John W need NOT reply, since he is not invited into this
discussion.
^ ^ ^ Hmmm.. I can't remember the last time Elaine the Insane
"waited for an invite" into a discussion.
"That'll be the day hell freezes over."
You were told not to bother replying, yet you did anyway. Narcissist.
martus
2008-04-15 22:12:09 UTC
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Blackmailers 'targeted British royal with gay sex claims'
Wednesday Apr 16 06:16 AEST

Two men tried to blackmail a member of Britain's royal family with
claims he had performed a gay sex act, a court heard overnight.

Ian Strachan and Sean McGuigan demanded $A106,000 in return for not
publicising mobile phone footage including allegations about the
unidentified royal, a prosecutor said.

The recordings also contained "scandalous and disparaging remarks"
about other royals, as well as allegations of "impropriety" about the
victim's business affairs, the Central Criminal Court in London was
told.


The royal in question cannot be identified, and was referred to in
court only as witness A.


Both defendants have denied the charge that they made "an unwarranted
demand with menaces."

In early 2007 property developer Strachan, 30, and McGuigan, 40, made
a series of audio and video recordings of a man who had been employed
for some years by the royal, said prosecutor Mark Ellison.

Much of the eight hours of audio and video files was recorded when the
man was drunk or "under the influence of other substances."

"He was also shown recounting stories and alleged experiences, making
allegations of impropriety as to how his employer conducted aspects of
his business," Ellison said.

"And there were three audio files of the man apparently asserting that
the member of the royal family who employed him had performed an act
of oral sex on him," he added.

The recordings contained material which would have potential to "cause
embarrassment and hurt to his employer" and a number of other members
of the extended royal family, he said.

____________________________________________________________________

Prince Charles flies back into vortex of scandal


John Arlidge and Jessica Hodgson
Sunday November 9, 2003
The Observer


Prince Charles flies back to Britain today after his two-week tour of
India and the Middle East as the scandal over allegations of a sexual
incident involving him and a royal servant(male) reaches new heights.


Internet sites in Europe and the US yesterday published lurid details
of the alleged incident while British newspapers, gagged by a court
injunction, subjected the prince to the worst criticism he has faced.
Clarence House was bracing itself for fresh revelations in today's
newspapers.


Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF
WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

(Note the bible speaks about a man such as this who is better known as
the anti christ who will come in the latter
times.)___________________________________________________________________

Britain to give gay couples equal rights


LONDON, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Next week's Queen's Speech to be read in
British parliament will suggest same-sex couples be given the same
rights as married couples, a report said Monday.


In what amounts to legal recognition of "gay marriage," thousands of
gay couples will be able to register their partnerships and benefit
from inheritance, tax and next-of-kin rights, the Times of London
reported.

___________________________________________________________________

When he eventually takes over as King and Supreme Governor of the
Anglican Church of England,Charles sees himself as "Defender of
Faiths"
in a country that is a multicultural mix.


This church is pushing the gay agenda as the soon to be Supreme
Govenor of that church, Prince Charles, is himself gay.




End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
Pastor Dave
2008-04-15 22:37:46 UTC
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:12:09 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
Blackmailers 'targeted British royal with gay sex claims'
Wednesday Apr 16 06:16 AEST
Two men tried to blackmail a member of Britain's royal family with
claims he had performed a gay sex act, a court heard overnight.
And I should care, because???
--
"Waste not fresh tears over old griefs." - Euripides
Merlin
2008-04-16 10:37:18 UTC
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cause threating people with death of the soul
is another form of black mail that christians use to abuse others in
jesus name.
when love would be a better witness for us all cause no one ever dies.

in love with the living gay jesus,

merlin
Post by Pastor Dave
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:12:09 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
Blackmailers 'targeted British royal with gay sex claims'
Wednesday Apr 16 06:16 AEST
Two men tried to blackmail a member of Britain's royal family with
claims he had performed a gay sex act, a court heard overnight.
And I should care, because???
--
"Waste not fresh tears over old griefs." - Euripides
martus
2008-04-19 22:31:03 UTC
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Unleashing the Bugs of War
Friday, Apr. 18, 2008 By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON
Hybrid Insect Micro-Electro-Mechanical System (HI-MEMS)


So what's hot at DARPA right now? Bugs. The creepy, crawly flying
kind. The Agency's Microsystems Technology Office is hard at work on
HI-MEMS (Hybrid Insect Micro-Electro-Mechanical System), raising real
insects filled with electronic circuitry, which could be guided using
GPS technology to specific targets via electrical impulses sent to
their muscles. These half-bug, half-chip creations — DARPA calls them
"insect cyborgs" — would be ideal for surveillance missions, the
agency says in a brief description on its website.

Scientist Amit Lal and his team insert mechanical components into baby
bugs during "the caterpillar and the pupae stages," which would then
allow the adult bugs to be deployed to do the Pentagon's bidding. "The
HI-MEMS program is aimed at developing

tightly coupled machine-insect interfaces

by placing micro-mechanical systems inside the insects during the
early stages of metamorphosis," DARPA says. "Since a majority of the
tissue development in insects occurs in the later stages of
metamorphosis, the renewed tissue growth around the MEMS will tend to
heal, and form a reliable and stable tissue-machine interface." Such
bugs "could carry one or more sensors, such as a microphone or a gas
sensor, to relay back information gathered from the target
destination."

DARPA declined TIME's request to interview Dr. Lal about his program
and the progress he is making in producing the bugs. The agency added
that there is no timetable for turning backyard pests into battlefield
assets. But in a written statement, spokeswoman Jan Walker said that
"living, adult-stage insects have emerged with the embedded systems
intact." Presumably, enemy arsenals will soon be well-stocked with
Raid.

____________________________________________________________________

Revelation 9

3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given
power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm
the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who
did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given
power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the
agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it
strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not
find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads
they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled
human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were
like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron,
and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses
and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like
scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for
five months.




End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
Varekem
2008-04-19 22:37:07 UTC
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Unleashing the Bugs of War
Friday, Apr. 18, 2008 By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON
Hybrid Insect Micro-Electro-Mechanical System (HI-MEMS)


So what's hot at DARPA right now? Bugs. The creepy, crawly flying
kind. The Agency's Microsystems Technology Office is hard at work on
HI-MEMS (Hybrid Insect Micro-Electro-Mechanical System), raising real
insects filled with electronic circuitry, which could be guided using
GPS technology to specific targets via electrical impulses sent to
their muscles. These half-bug, half-chip creations — DARPA calls them
"insect cyborgs" — would be ideal for surveillance missions, the
agency says in a brief description on its website.

Scientist Amit Lal and his team insert mechanical components into baby
bugs during "the caterpillar and the pupae stages," which would then
allow the adult bugs to be deployed to do the Pentagon's bidding. "The
HI-MEMS program is aimed at developing

tightly coupled machine-insect interfaces

by placing micro-mechanical systems inside the insects during the
early stages of metamorphosis," DARPA says. "Since a majority of the
tissue development in insects occurs in the later stages of
metamorphosis, the renewed tissue growth around the MEMS will tend to
heal, and form a reliable and stable tissue-machine interface." Such
bugs "could carry one or more sensors, such as a microphone or a gas
sensor, to relay back information gathered from the target
destination."

DARPA declined TIME's request to interview Dr. Lal about his program
and the progress he is making in producing the bugs. The agency added
that there is no timetable for turning backyard pests into battlefield
assets. But in a written statement, spokeswoman Jan Walker said that
"living, adult-stage insects have emerged with the embedded systems
intact." Presumably, enemy arsenals will soon be well-stocked with
Raid.

____________________________________________________________________

Revelation 9

3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given
power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm
the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who
did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given
power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the
agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it
strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not
find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads
they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled
human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were
like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron,
and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses
and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like
scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for
five months.




End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html




/////////////////////

According to that prophecy only those not sealed by God have to worry.That
is the part that completely screws up the beliefs people have that this is
some sort of evil satanic army.Well, it would be evil if the verse meant
literal torture, but it doesnt.
So what exactly is the problem, worrying that you arent sealed?
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
2008-04-20 05:57:22 UTC
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Gee, look who again changed what "da babble always said".

Not too long ago this particular morontheist was sure (and expressed that it
was sure) that those infamous locusts would be symbols for ICBMs. As
always, when new things appear, morontheists in silent shame change their
predictions. Yesterday "da babble always clearly predicted" ICBMs by
mentioning those locusts. Today "da babble always clearly predicted" insect
cyborgs.
What will the book of lies have "always clearly predicted" tomorrow instead
of ICBMs and cyborg bugs? Stay tuned!
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism

The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
martus
2008-05-16 22:36:25 UTC
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Friday, May 16, 2008



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'Birth pains'
have begun
Exclusive: Hal Lindsey cites recent disasters
as evidence of last days spoken of by Christ

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Posted: May 16, 2008
1:00 am Eastern



By Hal Lindsey



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The world has endured an almost mind-numbing series of shocks in
recent weeks, from the unprecedented swarm of tornadoes across the
American Midwest to the death and destruction wrought by Cyclone
Nargis as it tore a path through Myanmar, better known as Burma.

There were 368 documented tornadoes in the U.S. in January and
February of this year, shattering the previous record of 243 over that
two-month period, set in 1999. February's total of 232 tornadoes also
shattered previous records.

Cyclone Nargis ripped Burma apart, killing at least 128,000, according
to Red Cross estimates, and creating some 2.5 million refugees.

Al Gore was quick to blame global warming. In an interview on NPR to
plug his appropriately named book on global warming, "Assault on
Reason," he told host Terry Gross: "And as we're talking today, Terry,
the death count in Myanmar from the cyclone that hit there yesterday
has been rising from 15,000 to way on up there to much higher numbers
now being speculated. . … And last year a catastrophic storm last fall
hit Bangladesh. The year before, the strongest cyclone in more than 50
years hit China – and we're seeing consequences that scientists have
long predicted might be associated with continued global warming."

(Column continues below)




Maybe. But Germany's Institute of Marine Scientists says we're in for
a 10-year period of global cooling. There sure seems to be a lot of
opposition to what is supposed to be "settled science."

Global warming can't explain away the devastating earthquake that all
but flattened a huge portion of western China. The death toll from
Monday's quake is approaching 20,000, with twice that number still
listed as missing. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, Monday's
earthquake was the 25th "significant" earthquake registered so far
this year.

Back in 1969, the year I wrote "The Late, Great Planet Earth," the
USGS identified a total of seven "significant earthquakes." I had
noted in 1969 that there was a slight but discernible increase in
worldwide earthquake activity since Israel's rebirth in 1948.

During the entire decade of the 1970s, the USGS recorded a total of 44
earthquakes it classified as "significant." The following decade, from
January 1980 to December 1989, the USGS recorded 47 significant
earthquakes. That is for the entire decade. From 1990 through the end
of 1999, the USGS records 57 significant earthquakes. From 2000 thru
to Monday's earthquake in Sichuan, China, the USGS recorded an
astonishing 109 earthquakes of at least magnitude 7.0 and 13
earthquakes measuring between 8.0 and 9.9 on the Richter Scale.

On the other side of the world, the long-dormant Chaitan volcano
erupted May 2 for the first time, say geologists, in more than 7,000
years. The BBC reported that a government volcano expert warned there
could be a big eruption at any time.

"There could be a major explosion that could collapse the volcano's
cone," said Luis Lara of the National Geologic and Mining Service.

The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization warned that Iran
had "detected" a new highly pathogenic strain of wheat stem rust. The
U.N. said the fungal disease could spread to other wheat-producing
states in the Near East and western Asia that provide one-fourth of
the world's wheat supply. The new strain, called Ug99, is capable of
infecting up to 90 percent of the existing strains of wheat worldwide
– and once infected, crop losses range between 70 percent and total
loss.

Coupled with the losses already sustained as a result of the typhoon-
related flooding in Java, Bangladesh, and India and from agricultural
pests and diseases in Vietnam, it starts to add up. Last year,
Australia suffered its second consecutive year of severe drought and a
near complete crop failure; heavy rains reduced production in Europe;
Argentina suffered heavy frost; and Canada and the U.S. both produced
low yields. Food riots have broken out in Egypt, Haiti and several
African states, including Mauritania, Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Burkina
Faso and Senegal.

Meanwhile, the drums of war continue to beat around the planet. Iran's
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad renewed his threat to destroy Israel this week.
Hezbollah took over West Beirut, while the Arab world mourned the
catastrophe of Israel's 60th birthday with threats of annihilation of
the Jewish state. In Israel, President Bush again warned that allowing
the Iranian regime to obtain nuclear arms would be "unforgivable,"
signaling a continuation along a path that can only lead to an
eventual war that will engulf the whole Middle East.

When Jesus was asked by His disciples to tell them what "signs" would
precede His return at the end of the age, He warned that "nation shall
rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be
famines, plagues and earthquakes in various places," He said (Matthew
24 and Luke 21). Using an analogy immediately understandable to all
peoples in all nations, he said of these signs, "All these are the
beginning of birth pains."

Jesus used a Greek word for the labor pains of a woman about to give
birth. Jesus knew that every generation could understand the
illustration. His meaning is clear. Just as a woman experiences birth
pains that increase in frequency and intensity just before giving
birth, so ALL the signs of His return would increase in frequency and
intensity just before His return. Hey, for he first time in history,
all of the signs have appeared together in the same time frame and are
increasing in frequency and intensity. That, coupled with the
fulfillment of the great predicted sign that Israel became a nation
again after 2,000 hopeless years of worldwide dispersion, indicates
that Jesus Christ is already at the door ready to return. Are you
ready?
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-05-18 07:20:41 UTC
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[snip]
Post by martus
Exclusive: Hal Lindsey cites recent disasters
as evidence of last days spoken of by Christ
Hal Lindsey is the epitome of everything that can go wrong in prophecy
within the churches.

[snip]

Ike
john w <j@yahoo.com>
2008-05-25 20:51:05 UTC
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 07:20:41 GMT, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<***@verizon.net> wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
[snip]
Post by martus
Exclusive: Hal Lindsey cites recent disasters
as evidence of last days spoken of by Christ
Hal Lindsey is the epitome of everything that can go wrong in prophecy
within the churches.
[snip]
Ike
I believe time will tell.

The prophet also warned that those whose hearts had grown cold (both
within the church and outside the church) would turn a deaf ear to the
calamities that would signal the 2nd Coming.

I believe your response qualifies as "turning a deaf ear."

Recall John's words: "Let him who has ears hears..."

I believe you have just OPENLY declared, you are not listening.

I've heard WAY too many (Dave for one) saying, "if this was truly
the last days... then we'd see..."

Perhaps you don't see because you aren't looking. ?

I myself have personally seen some ASTOUNDING fulfilled prophesies
in my lifetime.

For one example: I was in the military, stationed in Europe as
part of the NATO alliance during the 6-Day War.

If the 6-Day War-- during which the Israelis recaptured/re-occupied
Jerusalem-- wasn't a fulfillment of prophesy, I don't know what is.

You might say, "I was there."

Scripture says that in the last days, the sun will be blotted out,
and it will seem like midnight at noon, or words to that effect. I
suppose that event escaped you, too.

Scripture likewise says that in the last days, the moon will look
like blood (red). I've seen that happen.


JOEL 2:10 Before them the earth shakes,
the sky trembles,
the sun and moon are darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.


JOEL 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Remember the time when the sun was "dark" as night?

It's been within my lifetime.

You probably weren't there when the moon took on the color of blood.
I was there.


john w
NOSPAM
2008-05-26 13:49:56 UTC
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Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I myself have personally seen some ASTOUNDING fulfilled prophesies
in my lifetime.
For one example: I was in the military, stationed in Europe as
part of the NATO alliance during the 6-Day War.
If the 6-Day War-- during which the Israelis recaptured/re-occupied
Jerusalem-- wasn't a fulfillment of prophesy, I don't know what is.
You might say, "I was there."
You need to get your med levels checked, johnnie..........the periods
of delusional grandeur are worsening.
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-05-30 16:42:24 UTC
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Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 18 May 2008 07:20:41 GMT, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
[snip]
Post by martus
Exclusive: Hal Lindsey cites recent disasters
as evidence of last days spoken of by Christ
Hal Lindsey is the epitome of everything that can go wrong in prophecy
within the churches.
[snip]
Ike
I believe time will tell.
It ALREADY HAS--NONE of his prognostications have even come CLOSE to coming
to pass, and I started reading his garbage back when I was twelve.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
The prophet also warned that those whose hearts had grown cold (both
within the church and outside the church) would turn a deaf ear to the
calamities that would signal the 2nd Coming.
What prophet?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I believe your response qualifies as "turning a deaf ear."
No, YOUR responses qualify as "turning a deaf ear"...TO JESUS' WARNINGS,
which is WHY HE GAVE PROPHECY IN THE FIRST PLACE--to prepare the saints to
ENDURE TO THE END, NOT to get caught up in silly WIVES' TALES.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Recall John's words: "Let him who has ears hears..."
1) Those were JESUS' words.
2) And the PROMISE is to those who OVERCOME, that is, those who KEEP THE
FAITH TO THE END, NOT to false prophets and liars who say "beam me up."
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I believe you have just OPENLY declared, you are not listening.
No YOU have declared you're not listening...TO JESUS.

HE said "whoseover endure TO THE END shall be saved," NOT "You'll fly away."
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I've heard WAY too many (Dave for one) saying, "if this was truly
the last days... then we'd see..."
Perhaps you don't see because you aren't looking. ?
I see precisely what Jesus said we would see...false prophets saying THE
TIME DRAWETH NEAR when it ISN'T.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I myself have personally seen some ASTOUNDING fulfilled prophesies
in my lifetime.
You haven't seen anything...this story hasn't even BEGUN yet.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
For one example: I was in the military, stationed in Europe as
part of the NATO alliance during the 6-Day War.
If the 6-Day War-- during which the Israelis recaptured/re-occupied
Jerusalem-- wasn't a fulfillment of prophesy, I don't know what is.
What? You think the return of the enemies of Christ to Jerusalem is actually
a GODLY thing?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
You might say, "I was there."
Scripture says that in the last days, the sun will be blotted out,
and it will seem like midnight at noon, or words to that effect. I
suppose that event escaped you, too.
Scripture likewise says that in the last days, the moon will look
like blood (red). I've seen that happen.
And you think he was talking about the LITERAL "moon?"
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
JOEL 2:10 Before them the earth shakes,
the sky trembles,
the sun and moon are darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
JOEL 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Remember the time when the sun was "dark" as night?
LOL

How can someone "remember" something that HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

Oh, yea, forgot to mention...

"Sun" = father figures, literally, intellectually, and spiritually.
"Moon" = mother figures, literally, intellectually, and spiritually.
"Stars" = child figures, literally, intellectually, and spiritually.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
It's been within my lifetime.
It hasn't even started yet.

Do you see anyone building a temple on the mount in Jerusalem?

No.

Gee, maybe we ought to let the FIRST part of Daniel's prophecies come true,
BEFORE WE JUMP TO THE REST.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
You probably weren't there when the moon took on the color of blood.
I was there.
How could you BE THERE when it HASN'T TAKEN PLACE YET?

Ike
David Morgan (MAMS)
2008-05-30 16:59:22 UTC
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Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
What? You think the return of the enemies of Christ to Jerusalem is actually
a GODLY thing?
Isn't it really quite odd that people who claim to believe in Christ are so
damned supportive of this apparent Biblical abomination of justice ??
martus
2008-05-20 22:13:17 UTC
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May 20, 2008Giant Bill Gates Apparition Haunts Malaysia Conference

A day after Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was pelted with eggs by an
angry audience member during a speech in Hungary, Microsoft Chairman
Bill Gates was completely relaxed as he spoke to attendees at the
World Congress on Information Technology in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

That's because Gates' appearance was virtual, made possible not only
by the magic of software, but also the magic of holographic
technology.

According to Malaysian newspaper The Star, a 15-foot tall, high
definition holographic image of Gates was projected onto a plastic
foil screen at the Kuala Lumpur Convention Center, much to the
amazement of several thousand conference attendees who witnessed the
event.
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Revelation 13


14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the
first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them
to
set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword
and yet lived.

15He was given power to give breath to the image of the
first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to
worship the image to be killed.

16He also forced everyone, small and
great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right
hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he
had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his
name.
Mistylein
2008-05-21 04:54:25 UTC
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Post by martus
May 20, 2008Giant Bill Gates Apparition Haunts Malaysia Conference
A day after Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was pelted with eggs by an
angry audience member during a speech in Hungary, Microsoft Chairman
Bill Gates was completely relaxed as he spoke to attendees at the
World Congress on Information Technology in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
That's because Gates' appearance was virtual, made possible not only
by the magic of software, but also the magic of holographic
technology.
According to Malaysian newspaper The Star, a 15-foot tall, high
definition holographic image of Gates was projected onto a plastic
foil screen at the Kuala Lumpur Convention Center, much to the
amazement of several thousand conference attendees who witnessed the
event.
______________________________________________________________________
Revelation 13
14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the
first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them
to
set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword
and yet lived.
15He was given power to give breath to the image of the
first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to
worship the image to be killed.
16He also forced everyone, small and
great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right
hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he
had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his
name.
So why did you not include the verse 18 while you are at it?

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate
the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
(NIV)
Pastor Dave
2008-05-21 12:09:26 UTC
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
May 20, 2008Giant Bill Gates Apparition Haunts Malaysia Conference
A day after Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was pelted with eggs by an
angry audience member during a speech in Hungary, Microsoft Chairman
Bill Gates was completely relaxed as he spoke to attendees at the
World Congress on Information Technology in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
That's because Gates' appearance was virtual, made possible not only
by the magic of software, but also the magic of holographic
technology.
According to Malaysian newspaper The Star, a 15-foot tall, high
definition holographic image of Gates was projected onto a plastic
foil screen at the Kuala Lumpur Convention Center, much to the
amazement of several thousand conference attendees who witnessed the
event.
______________________________________________________________________
Revelation 13
14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the
first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them
to
Please tell me you're not this stupid!!!

You end timer idiots will look to anything to be it!
--
Lord, help me get up when I fall. I can fall by myself.
martus
2008-05-29 21:56:36 UTC
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Food prices to stay high for a decadeGary Duncan, Economics Editor
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The era of cheap and plentiful food was declared at an end yesterday
as a key international report issued a warning that high world food
prices will continue for at least a decade.

Much bigger family food bills will remain an everyday fact of life for
consumers across the West, while for poor nations permanently dearer
food will spell widespread hunger, famine and civil conflict, the
study from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
and the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation said.

The report said that after soaring in the past year to record levels,
food prices should fall back.

But it added that the cost of everything from grain to meat and dairy
products will remain stuck “substantially above” the average levels of
the past ten years.

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Era of cheap food ends as prices surge
As ministers and officials from around the globe prepare for a world
food summit in Rome next week, Angel Gurria, the OECD's Secretary-
General, said that prices should ease gradually, but “most
agricultural commodity prices over the next ten years will still
exceed the average of the previous decade by 10 to 50 per cent”.

The UN and OECD report predicted that average prices between now and
2017 for beef and pork will be 20 per cent higher than the average in
the past ten years; those for sugar will be 30 per cent higher; for
wheat, maize and skimmed milk powder between 40 and 60 per cent
higher; for butter and oilseed produce more than 60 per cent higher;
and for vegetable oils 80 per cent higher.

The increases in the cost of food were blamed by the report on a range
of factors, including surging demand in emerging markets such as China
and India as their populations grow richer and rising living standards
lead to bigger appetites and changing diets.

Other critical driving forces in the long term included high oil
prices, urbanisation as the poor flock to developing world cities,
extreme weather blamed on global warming, exploding production of
biofuels from crops and fast-growing populations.

The World Bank estimates that these factors have combined to send
overall world food prices up by 83 per cent in just three years.

___________________________________________________________________

Luke 21


Signs of the End of the Age

5Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was
adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But
Jesus said, 6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not
one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown
down."
7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will
be the sign that they are about to take place?"

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and
pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from
heaven.


25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees.
30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that
summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you
know that the kingdom of God is near.
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'Birth pains'
have begun
Exclusive: Hal Lindsey cites recent disasters
as evidence of last days spoken of by Christ
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Posted: May 16, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
By Hal Lindsey
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The world has endured an almost mind-numbing series of shocks in
recent weeks, from the unprecedented swarm of tornadoes across the
American Midwest to the death and destruction wrought by Cyclone
Nargis as it tore a path through Myanmar, better known as Burma.
There were 368 documented tornadoes in the U.S. in January and
February of this year, shattering the previous record of 243 over that
two-month period, set in 1999. February's total of 232 tornadoes also
shattered previous records.
Cyclone Nargis ripped Burma apart, killing at least 128,000, according
to Red Cross estimates, and creating some 2.5 million refugees.
Al Gore was quick to blame global warming. In an interview on NPR to
plug his appropriately named book on global warming, "Assault on
Reason," he told host Terry Gross: "And as we're talking today, Terry,
the death count in Myanmar from the cyclone that hit there yesterday
has been rising from 15,000 to way on up there to much higher numbers
now being speculated. . … And last year a catastrophic storm last fall
hit Bangladesh. The year before, the strongest cyclone in more than 50
years hit China – and we're seeing consequences that scientists have
long predicted might be associated with continued global warming."
(Column continues below)
Maybe. But Germany's Institute of Marine Scientists says we're in for
a 10-year period of global cooling. There sure seems to be a lot of
opposition to what is supposed to be "settled science."
Global warming can't explain away the devastating earthquake that all
but flattened a huge portion of western China. The death toll from
Monday's quake is approaching 20,000, with twice that number still
listed as missing. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, Monday's
earthquake was the 25th "significant" earthquake registered so far
this year.
Back in 1969, the year I wrote "The Late, Great Planet Earth," the
USGS identified a total of seven "significant earthquakes." I had
noted in 1969 that there was a slight but discernible increase in
worldwide earthquake activity since Israel's rebirth in 1948.
During the entire decade of the 1970s, the USGS recorded a total of 44
earthquakes it classified as "significant." The following decade, from
January 1980 to December 1989, the USGS recorded 47 significant
earthquakes. That is for the entire decade. From 1990 through the end
of 1999, the USGS records 57 significant earthquakes. From 2000 thru
to Monday's earthquake in Sichuan, China, the USGS recorded an
astonishing 109 earthquakes of at least magnitude 7.0 and 13
earthquakes measuring between 8.0 and 9.9 on the Richter Scale.
On the other side of the world, the long-dormant Chaitan volcano
erupted May 2 for the first time, say geologists, in more than 7,000
years. The BBC reported that a government volcano expert warned there
could be a big eruption at any time.
"There could be a major explosion that could collapse the volcano's
cone," said Luis Lara of the National Geologic and Mining Service.
The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization warned that Iran
had "detected" a new highly pathogenic strain of wheat stem rust. The
U.N. said the fungal disease could spread to other wheat-producing
states in the Near East and western Asia that provide one-fourth of
the world's wheat supply. The new strain, called Ug99, is capable of
infecting up to 90 percent of the existing strains of wheat worldwide
– and once infected, crop losses range between 70 percent and total
loss.
Coupled with the losses already sustained as a result of the typhoon-
related flooding in Java, Bangladesh, and India and from agricultural
pests and diseases in Vietnam, it starts to add up. Last year,
Australia suffered its second consecutive year of severe drought and a
near complete crop failure; heavy rains reduced production in Europe;
Argentina suffered heavy frost; and Canada and the U.S. both produced
low yields. Food riots have broken out in Egypt, Haiti and several
African states, including Mauritania, Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Burkina
Faso and Senegal.
Meanwhile, the drums of war continue to beat around the planet. Iran's
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad renewed his threat to destroy Israel this week.
Hezbollah took over West Beirut, while the Arab world mourned the
catastrophe of Israel's 60th birthday with threats of annihilation of
the Jewish state. In Israel, President Bush again warned that allowing
the Iranian regime to obtain nuclear arms would be "unforgivable,"
signaling a continuation along a path that can only lead to an
eventual war that will engulf the whole Middle East.
When Jesus was asked by His disciples to tell them what "signs" would
precede His return at the end of the age, He warned that "nation shall
rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be
famines, plagues and earthquakes in various places," He said (Matthew
24 and Luke 21). Using an analogy immediately understandable to all
peoples in all nations, he said of these signs, "All these are the
beginning of birth pains."
Jesus used a Greek word for the labor pains of a woman about to give
birth. Jesus knew that every generation could understand the
illustration. His meaning is clear. Just as a woman experiences birth
pains that increase in frequency and intensity just before giving
birth, so ALL the signs of His return would increase in frequency and
intensity just before His return. Hey, for he first time in history,
all of the signs have appeared together in the same time frame and are
increasing in frequency and intensity. That, coupled with the
fulfillment of the great predicted sign that Israel became a nation
again after 2,000 hopeless years of worldwide dispersion, indicates
that Jesus Christ is already at the door ready to return. Are you
ready?
martus
2008-06-04 00:03:37 UTC
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Daniel 11:36
[ The King Who Exalts Himself ] "The king will do as he pleases. He
will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of
things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time
of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

Daniel 11:37
He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desired
of women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above
them all.

____________________________________________________________

Prince Charles, defender of Islam
By Fazile Zahir

FETHIYE, Turkey - The recent visit by Britain's Queen Elizabeth and
Prince Phillip to Turkey was hailed as a great success. The 82-year-
old British monarch won favor with the local people by describing
Turkey as a "confident and dynamic democracy" and praising close ties
between Ankara and London.

She underlined British support for Turkey's bid to join the European
Union, showed respect for the past by visiting the tomb of modern
Turkey's secularist founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, in Ankara and for
the present government by covering her hair when she visited an
ancient mosque in Bursa and listened to a reading



from the Koran.

The Turkish press on the whole recounted the visit as the queen's
second to Turkey, the first having taken place 37 years ago in 1971.
At that time, too, the public response was positive and excited crowds
surged past protective barriers and swarmed the royal party's open-top
cars. Back then, she took the opportunity to present a trophy to the
winner of a horse race held in her honor. On this visit she was
surprised and pleased to discover that the Queen Elizabeth Cup Race
has continued annually ever since.

Some members of the press speculated that this was actually her third
visit - a secret visit allegedly having taken place in 1961 to plead
for clemency towards some Democratic Party politicians sentenced for
execution. Apparently, she was turned down and left having seen no
more than the airport. Despite odd rumors like this one, Turkey and
Britain have on the whole a cordial friendship, with the British
having at times been Turkey's only supporter for EU accession.

One particular member of the royal family, the queen's eldest son,
Prince Charles, has come under suspicion of having his own
particularly strong connection to Turkey.

In October 1996, London's Evening Standard newspaper quoted the Grand
Mufti of Cyprus, who claimed that the prince had converted to Islam.
"It happened in Turkey. Oh, yes, he converted all right," the Grand
Mufti was quoted as saying. "When you get home, check on how often he
travels to Turkey. You'll find that your future king is a Muslim."
This was one of several reports linking Prince Charles and Islam
highlighted by authors Ronni L Gordon and David M Stillman in The
Middle East Quarterly in 1997.

There have been various alleged proofs offered for the conversion
myth. Numerous times over the past three decades, Charles has spoken
to support both Muslims and Islam. In 1989, when the Iranian ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa against author Salman Rushdie,
Charles reacted to the death decree by reflecting on the positive
features that Islam has to offer the spiritually empty lives of his
countrymen.

In 1993, speaking at Oxford University, he said, "Our judgement of
Islam has been grossly distorted by taking the extremes to the norm.
The truth is, of course, different and always more complex. My own
understanding is that extremes, like the cutting off of hands, are
rarely practiced. The guiding principle and spirit of Islamic law,
taken straight from the Koran, should be those of equity and
compassion. Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living
in the world which Christianity itself is poorer for having lost."

In a June 1994 television documentary, he declared his preference to
be known as "Defender of Faith" rather than "Defender of the Faith",
prompting then prime minister John Major to comment, "It would be a
little odd if Prince Charles was defender of faiths of which he was
not a member."

In a speech at the Foreign Office Conference Center on December 13,
1996, he called on Islamic pedagogy and philosophy to help young
Britons develop a healthier view of the world. "There is much we can
learn from that Islamic world view in this respect. Everywhere in the
world people want to learn English. But in the West, in turn, we need
to be taught by Islamic teachers how to learn with our hearts, as well
as our heads."

In 1997, the Daily Mail of London reported that he had set up a panel
of 12 "wise men" (in fact, 11 men and one woman) to advise him on
Islamic religion and culture. No comparable body was established to
advise him on any other faith in his future realm.

He is vice patron of the Center for Islamic Studies at Oxford
University, a center built by a US$33 million Saudi gift with the
stated aim of putting Islam at the heart of the British education
system.

In 2003, Prince Charles went to America for an eight-day tour. His
mission was to persuade President George W Bush and the Americans of
the merits of Islam. He has voiced private concerns over America's
confrontational approach to Muslim countries and its failure to
appreciate Islam's strengths. He thinks the United States has been too
intolerant of the religion.

Charles's most recent visits to Turkey were in 2005 to mark the 90th
anniversary of the Gallipoli landings and again in 2007 with Camilla,
Duchess of Cornwall, for a four-day tour.

Whether or not he has converted, which is of course strongly denied by
Buckingham Palace spokesmen, he is an immensely popular figure
throughout the Middle East. The Saudis regard him as a candid friend
of the Islamic world. British academic John Casey, of Cambridge
University, says the Prince of Wales' hero status in the Arab world
(for his pro Islamic comments and actions) is permanent and "No other
Western figure commands this sort of admiration."

Cynics claim his friendship is based on upper-class hobnobbing with
the Dubai polo set. Others believe that the UK Foreign Office
capitalizes on his popularity and uses him as a point man for British
business interests in Muslim countries. Casey commented in the London
Daily Telegraph, "The Charles of Arabia phenomenon is here to stay,
for it helps assure British commerce with the Muslim world."

Whether or not a conversion did take place in Turkey will probably
never be known, Charles is unlikely to give up his claim for the
British throne by making a full disclosure. He may even encourage the
image of himself as a spiritual dilettante flitting from faith to
faith to hide an special leaning toward Islam.
Pastor Dave
2008-06-04 09:13:18 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
[ The King Who Exalts Himself ] "The king will do as he pleases. He
will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of
things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time
of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.
Daniel 11:37
He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desired
of women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above
them all.
Daniel never once spoke of "The AntiChrist" and you are
taking passages out of context.
--
"Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself,
but talent instantly recognizes genius."
- Sir Arthur Doyle
martus
2008-06-07 23:41:02 UTC
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Treaty of Lisborn
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President of the European Council

The current post of President-in-Office of the European Council is
loosely defined, with the Union's treaties stating only that the
European Council shall be chaired by the head of government (or state)
of the country holding the presidency of the European Union which
rotates every six months. If ratified the new President of the
European Council would be elected for a two and a half year term. The
election would take place by a qualified majority among the members of
the body, and the President can be removed by the same procedure.

The President's work would be largely administrative in coordinating
the work of the Council and organising the meeting. It does however
offer external representation of the council and the Union and reports
to the European Parliament after Council meetings and at the beginning
and end of his term.

In many newspapers this new post is being called "President of
Europe"

____________________________________________________________________

What it basically means is that this treaty would elect a President
for 2.5 years. That person would have the support of the 5 heads of
state of the current european countries holding the rotating
presidency of 6 months each. (5 x 6 mths = 2.5 years)

This President will eventually have the Antichrist in control when the
treaty has changed to 7 heads of state of the different EU countries
giving him the power to be president, This president can also be the
king of one of the EU countries, eg King Charles.

Look at the below bible verse which is referring to the Antichrist's
kingdom the last before God kingdom rules on earth and notice that the
10 heads of state do not have power until it is given to them i.e.
Like the Eu's rotating presidency of 3 heads of states of the
different EU countries.

Also note that these 10 heads of states (kings) support the beast,
"The President."

Revelation 17
12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a
kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along
with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and
authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the
Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—
and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."




The reign of this president is 3 1/2 years but currently the Lisborn
treaty is pushing for 2 and 1/2 years.

Revelation 13:5 (New International Version)
5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and
to exercise his authority for forty-two months.


And why soon to be King Charles as the prime candidate besides the
fact that he is declaring to the world that he is the Defender of all
Faiths, ie a pope of all religions?

It is because of all the masonic brotherhood through out the world who
have the current ruling British Monarch as their head. Which will
eventually be Charles.

Wait and see, the Antichrist gain control of the E.U.!
Pastor Dave
2008-06-08 09:58:22 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:41:02 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
Treaty of Lisborn
_______________
President of the European Council
More end times newspaper prophecy!
--
I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish He didn't trust me so much.
martus
2008-06-14 23:31:38 UTC
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Britain presses on with Lisbon ratification
Jonathan Milne

Britain is pressing on with the tortuous ratification of the European
Union’s Lisbon treaty, despite Ireland rejecting it in a referendum.

Jim Murphy, the Europe minister, said today the Irish would be left
isolated when the other 26 EU member nations passed the treaty into
law later this year. The treaty would establish the offices of a
European president and foreign minister, and would reduce the power of
individual nations to veto reforms.

Gordon Brown, the prime minister, has rejected calls for a referendum
on the treaty, but in Ireland, where constitutional law obliged a
referendum, citizens rejected it overwhelmingly.

Despite support for the treaty from the main political parties, 53.4%
of Irish voters said “no” on Friday. Similar “no” votes from France
and the Netherlands in 2005 stymied an earlier version of the
document, the EU constitution.
__________________________________________________________________

Are these the three countries that get pushed out of the EU when the
position of President of the EU is brought about i,e. Ireland, France
and the Netherlands.

Also note it is Britian who is pushing ahead with it, the home of the
Antichrist and his loyal servants the frreemasons who occupy the seats
of government not only in Britian but throughout the world.

Daniel 7
7 "After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me
was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It
had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled
underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former
beasts, and it had ten horns.

8 "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another
horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first
horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a
man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
Post by martus
Treaty of Lisborn
_______________
President of the European Council
The current post of President-in-Office of the European Council is
loosely defined, with the Union's treaties stating only that the
European Council shall be chaired by the head of government (or state)
of the country holding the presidency of the European Union which
rotates every six months. If ratified the new President of the
European Council would be elected for a two and a half year term. The
election would take place by a qualified majority among the members of
the body, and the President can be removed by the same procedure.
The President's work would be largely administrative in coordinating
the work of the Council and organising the meeting. It does however
offer external representation of the council and the Union and reports
to the European Parliament after Council meetings and at the beginning
and end of his term.
In many newspapers this new post is being called "President of
Europe"
____________________________________________________________________
What it basically means is that this treaty would elect a President
for 2.5 years. That person would have the support of the 5 heads of
state of the current european countries holding the rotating
presidency of 6 months each. (5 x 6 mths = 2.5 years)
This President will eventually have the Antichrist in control when the
treaty has changed to 7 heads of state of the different EU countries
giving him the power to be president, This president can also be the
king of one of the EU countries, eg King Charles.
Look at the below bible verse which is referring to the Antichrist's
kingdom the last before God kingdom rules on earth and notice that the
10 heads of state do not have power until it is given to them i.e.
Like the Eu's rotating presidency of 3 heads of states of the
different EU countries.
Also note that these 10 heads of states (kings) support the beast,
"The President."
Revelation 17
 12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a
kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along
with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and
authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the
Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—
and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."
The reign of this president is 3  1/2 years but currently the Lisborn
treaty is pushing for 2 and 1/2 years.
Revelation 13:5 (New International Version)
 5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and
to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
And why soon to be King Charles as the prime candidate besides the
fact that he is declaring to the world that he is the Defender of all
Faiths, ie a pope of all religions?
It is because of all the masonic brotherhood through out the world who
have the current ruling British Monarch as their head. Which will
eventually be Charles.
Wait watch and see, the Antichrist gain control of the E.U.!
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-06-15 10:25:36 UTC
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Post by martus
Also note it is Britian who is pushing ahead with it, the home of the
Antichrist and his loyal servants the frreemasons who occupy the seats
of government not only in Britian but throughout the world.
Daniel 7
7 "After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me
was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It
had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled
underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former
beasts, and it had ten horns.
8 "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another
horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first
horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a
man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
LOL

Too bad he wasn't talking about EUROPE.

Ike
martus
2008-06-18 22:09:01 UTC
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WASHINGTON — President Bush urged Congress on Wednesday to end a
federal ban on offshore oil drilling and open a portion of the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, asserting that those
steps and others would lower gasoline prices and “strengthen our
national security.”

______________________________________________________________________

For those who have not seen blood that has not been oxygenated, then
it is a black congealed substance, very much like oil. That is the
discription of the mess in the sea due to the oil spills which destroy
all living creatures in the sea. Sounds like a meteor or more likely a
nuclear explosion that causes it (a huge mountain of fire.


Revelation 8
8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea
turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died,
and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 16:3 (New International Version)
3The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into
blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.
Merlin
2008-06-18 22:51:49 UTC
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Discussion subject changed to "Seas turn to dead man's blood!" by
martus


the phrase in the king james version...... (?)

there blood shall run that of a dead man's............

is one of the viles set forth by god on the earth.

is this your reference martus also?

in love with the living gay jesus,

merlin
Mistylein
2008-06-19 08:40:42 UTC
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"martus" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3af9fd16-fd86-41c9-be78-***@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

WASHINGTON — President Bush urged Congress on Wednesday to end a
federal ban on offshore oil drilling and open a portion of the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, asserting that those
steps and others would lower gasoline prices and “strengthen our
national security.”

______________________________________________________________________

For those who have not seen blood that has not been oxygenated, then
it is a black congealed substance, very much like oil. That is the
discription of the mess in the sea due to the oil spills which destroy
all living creatures in the sea. Sounds like a meteor or more likely a
nuclear explosion that causes it (a huge mountain of fire.


Revelation 8
8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea
turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died,
and a third of the ships were destroyed.

~~~~~~~~~
KJV
8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great
mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third
of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures
in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
* * * * *

Revelation 16:3 (New International Version)
3The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into
blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

~~~~~~~~~~
KJV
3 Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea,
and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living
creature in the sea died.
* * * * *
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I posted from the kjv because of the reply by "Merlin".

M,
Merlin
2008-06-19 10:10:31 UTC
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Post by martus
WASHINGTON — President Bush urged Congress on Wednesday to end a
federal ban on offshore oil drilling and open a portion of the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, asserting that those
steps and others would lower gasoline prices and “strengthen our
national security.”
______________________________________________________________________
For those who have not seen blood that has not been oxygenated, then
it is a black congealed substance, very much like oil. That is the
discription of the mess in the sea due to the oil spills which destroy
all living creatures in the sea. Sounds like a meteor or more likely a
nuclear explosion that causes it (a huge mountain of fire.
 Revelation 8
8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea
turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died,
and a third of the ships were destroyed.
~~~~~~~~~
KJV
8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great
mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third
of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures
in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
* * * * *
Revelation 16:3 (New International Version)
 3The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into
blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.
~~~~~~~~~~
KJV
3 Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea,
and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living
creature in the sea died.
* * * * *
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I posted from the kjv because of the reply by "Merlin".
M,
thank you. the book of rev. is amazing. fav book in the bible.

a sincere question:
so this is saying god sent aids on purpose to torture humans?
is there no other way that this could be interpreted?
other than god did this to people?
cause dead blood describes aids to a tee.

when we know a man is a thief do we leave our wallet for that thief to
find so they become a thief further?
when we know a man loves food, do we make him a meal so he can gain
weight to the point of harm?
when we know a man loves alcohol do we give him more?
is this not the logic of this verse from the bible.

this is the cruelty in this idea, tho merlin does not see it as true
that god would send death like this.
merlin sees this more as a warning that never worked.

in love with the living gay jesus,

merlin

merlin does not blame god for aids, it happened, merlin wonders of the
mind of the authors of this piece that they would believe god would
send such violence. it sounds more like and internet video game.
Mistylein
2008-06-20 07:02:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylein
WASHINGTON — President Bush urged Congress on Wednesday to end a
federal ban on offshore oil drilling and open a portion of the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, asserting that those
steps and others would lower gasoline prices and “strengthen our
national security.”
______________________________________________________________________
For those who have not seen blood that has not been oxygenated, then
it is a black congealed substance, very much like oil. That is the
discription of the mess in the sea due to the oil spills which destroy
all living creatures in the sea. Sounds like a meteor or more likely a
nuclear explosion that causes it (a huge mountain of fire.
Revelation 8
8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea
turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died,
and a third of the ships were destroyed.
~~~~~~~~~
KJV
8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great
mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third
of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures
in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
* * * * *
Revelation 16:3 (New International Version)
3The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into
blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.
~~~~~~~~~~
KJV
3 Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea,
and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living
creature in the sea died.
* * * * *
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I posted from the kjv because of the reply by "Merlin".
M,
thank you. the book of rev. is amazing. fav book in the bible.

~ ~ ~~ ~~
Revelation also helps to explain the Vission in Daniel 2.
I love prophecy study more then anything else in the Bible
but we must do it with helps from the Bible itself for
the Keys to unlock the Code God Put the Prophesies under.
* * * *

a sincere question:
so this is saying god sent aids on purpose to torture humans?
is there no other way that this could be interpreted?
other than god did this to people?
cause dead blood describes aids to a tee.

~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~
That is Prophetic language and it has to be treated as such.

I would not go so far as to say it is aids or anything else we
may dream up that shows up today or in our era of time
Is ecactly what prophecy pointed to.
But useing the keys we can fine a very good time line for
many of the Propheise.
I know of only one Prophecy that does not have a "starting date".


when we know a man is a thief do we leave our wallet for that thief to
find so they become a thief further?

~~~~~~~~
Bait can be set out for a suspected suspect to see what they
do with the bait.
* * ** * *

when we know a man loves food, do we make him a meal so he can gain
weight to the point of harm?

~ ~ ~~
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".
* * * * * *

when we know a man loves alcohol do we give him more?
is this not the logic of this verse from the bible.

this is the cruelty in this idea, tho merlin does not see it as true
that god would send death like this.
merlin sees this more as a warning that never worked.

in love with the living gay jesus,

Romans 1:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him
as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became
futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although
they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged
the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like
mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires
of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their
bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of
God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

merlin

merlin does not blame god for aids, it happened, merlin wonders of the
mind of the authors of this piece that they would believe god would
send such violence. it sounds more like and internet video game.

God is letting the "Beasts" do their thing until the time of the
Gentiles has became full.

M,
Merlin
2008-06-20 10:25:13 UTC
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Post by martus
WASHINGTON — President Bush urged Congress on Wednesday to end a
federal ban on offshore oil drilling and open a portion of the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, asserting that those
steps and others would lower gasoline prices and “strengthen our
national security.”
______________________________________________________________________
For those who have not seen blood that has not been oxygenated, then
it is a black congealed substance, very much like oil. That is the
discription of the mess in the sea due to the oil spills which destroy
all living creatures in the sea. Sounds like a meteor or more likely a
nuclear explosion that causes it (a huge mountain of fire.
Revelation 8
8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge
mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea
turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died,
and a third of the ships were destroyed.
~~~~~~~~~
KJV
8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great
mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third
of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures
in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
* * * * *
Revelation 16:3 (New International Version)
3The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into
blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.
~~~~~~~~~~
KJV
3 Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea,
and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living
creature in the sea died.
* * * * *
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I posted from the kjv because of the reply by "Merlin".
M,
thank you.  the book of rev. is amazing.  fav book in the bible.
~ ~ ~~ ~~
Revelation also helps to explain the Vission in Daniel 2.
I love prophecy study more then anything else in the Bible
but we must do it with helps from the Bible itself for
the Keys to unlock the Code God Put the  Prophesies under.
* * * *
so this is saying god sent aids on purpose to torture humans?
is there no other way that this could be interpreted?
other than god did this to people?
cause dead blood describes aids to a tee.
~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~
That is Prophetic language and it has to be treated as such.
I would not go so far as to say it is aids or anything else we
may dream up that shows up today or in our era of time
Is ecactly what prophecy pointed to.
But useing the keys we can fine a very good time line for
many of the Propheise.
I know of only one Prophecy that does not have a "starting date".
when we know a man is a thief do we leave our wallet for that thief to
find so they become a thief further?
~~~~~~~~
Bait can be set out for a suspected suspect to see what they
do with the bait.
* * **  * *
when we know a man loves food, do we make him a meal so he can gain
weight to the point of harm?
~ ~ ~~
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".
* * * * *  *
when we know a man loves alcohol do we give him more?
is this not the logic of this verse from the bible.
this is the cruelty in this idea, tho merlin does not see it as true
that god would send death like this.
merlin sees this more as a warning that never worked.
in love with the living gay jesus,
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him
as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became
futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although
they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged
the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like
mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires
of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their
bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of
God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
merlin
merlin does not blame god for aids, it happened, merlin wonders of the
mind of the authors of this piece that they would believe god would
send such violence.  it sounds more like and internet video game.
God is letting the "Beasts" do their thing until the time of the
Gentiles has became full.
M,
martus
2008-06-19 23:23:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by martus
Treaty of Lisborn
_______________
President of the European Council
The current post of President-in-Office of the European Council is
loosely defined, with the Union's treaties stating only that the
European Council shall be chaired by the head of government (or state)
of the country holding the presidency of the European Union which
rotates every six months. If ratified the new President of the
European Council would be elected for a two and a half year term. The
election would take place by a qualified majority among the members of
the body, and the President can be removed by the same procedure.
The President's work would be largely administrative in coordinating
the work of the Council and organising the meeting. It does however
offer external representation of the council and the Union and reports
to the European Parliament after Council meetings and at the beginning
and end of his term.
In many newspapers this new post is being called "President of
Europe"
____________________________________________________________________
What it basically means is that this treaty would elect a President
for 2.5 years. That person would have the support of the 5 heads of
state of the current european countries holding the rotating
presidency of 6 months each. (5 x 6 mths = 2.5 years)
This President will eventually have the Antichrist in control when the
treaty has changed to 7 heads of state of the different EU countries
giving him the power to be president, This president can also be the
king of one of the EU countries, eg King Charles.
Look at the below bible verse which is referring to the Antichrist's
kingdom the last before God kingdom rules on earth and notice that the
10 heads of state do not have power until it is given to them i.e.
Like the Eu's rotating presidency of 3 heads of states of the
different EU countries.
Also note that these 10 heads of states (kings) support the beast,
"The President."
Revelation 17
 12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a
kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along
with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and
authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the
Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—
and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."
The reign of this president is 3  1/2 years but currently the Lisborn
treaty is pushing for 2 and 1/2 years.
Revelation 13:5 (New International Version)
 5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and
to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
And why soon to be King Charles as the prime candidate besides the
fact that he is declaring to the world that he is the Defender of all
Faiths, ie a pope of all religions?
It is because of all the masonic brotherhood through out the world who
have the current ruling British Monarch as their head. Which will
eventually be Charles.
Wait and see, the Antichrist gain control of the E.U.!
MAFIA-FREEMASONRY: EIGHT 'PROMINENT' ARRESTS

(AGI) - Palermo, June 17 - Eight 'prominent' arrests were made by the
police of Trapani and Agrigento last night, the conclusion of an
investigation by the Anti-mafia District Department of Palermo into
attempts to slow down legal proceedings against members of the mafia
with the help of members of the Freemasonry. One of the arrested is
Michele Accomando, entrepreneur in Mazara del Vallo (Trapani), already
arrested in 2007, charged with mafia membership. The man is member of
the loggia "Gran Serenissima" of the Freemasonry of Trapano. An
official of the Finance Ministry working in Agrigento, Calogero Licata
was also arrested, as well as a businessman from Agrigento, Nicola
Sorrentino, and an employee of the Court of Cassation, Guido Peparaio,
employee of the registrar's office of the second penal section of the
Court of Cassation. But according to the investigators the key figure
is another arrested, the Roman wheeler-dealer Rodolfo Grancini.

Also arrested are a gynaecologist from Palermo, Renato De Gregorio,
who would have been favoured through the delay of his case in
Cassation, and a policewoman, Francesca Surdo, secretary of the
director of the operational central Service of the State police.

__________________________________________________________________

Usually the Freemasons who are in power are not tied into criminal
gangs as they can manipulate the government and it's policy to suit
and benefit themselves anyway.

And don't forget who is strutting around as the pope of all religions
waiting for his time to become president of the EU, the one the bible
has predict will come into power, The Antichrist, the head of the
masonic orders that only the upper echlon know about and leave the
bottom end of their organisations in the dark about.
martus
2008-06-08 00:36:32 UTC
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Luke 21

Signs of the End of the Age


8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come
in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not
follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be
frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come
right away."

10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and
pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from
heaven.


25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees.
30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that
summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you
know that the kingdom of God is near.


Matthew 24
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will
come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive
many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that
you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to
come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these
are the beginning of birth pains.


(note: the closer the birth, the increase in contractions, the closer
we are to the end times the more the famines flooding etc)
______________________________________________________________________


Natural Disasters Up More Than 400 Percent in Two Decades

(NaturalNews) The number of natural disasters around the world has
increased by more than four times in the last 20 years, according to a
report released by the British charity Oxfam. Oxfam analyzed data from
the Red Cross, United Nations and researchers at Louvain University in
Belgium. It found that the earth is currently experiencing
approximately 500 natural disasters per year, compared with 120 per
year in the early 1980s. The number of weather-related disasters in
2006 was 240, compared with 60 in 1980.

At the same time, the number of geologically related natural disasters
has held steady. Oxfam has attributed the increasing disaster rate to
global warming

"We are talking about some very unusual floods in West Africa, very
unusual floods in East Africa, extraordinary floods in Mexico and
parts of Central America, and heat waves in Greece [and] eastern
Europe," report author John Magrath said.

"This is no freak year," said Oxfam director Barbara Stocking. "It
follows a pattern of more frequent, more erratic, more unpredictable
and more extreme weather events that are affecting more people."

Between 1985 and 1994, Oxfam found that 174 million people were
affected by disasters each year. In the following decade, this figure
increased by 70 percent to 254 million people per year.

The increasing disaster rate has disproportionately affected the poor,
the report noted. Although rich countries tend to distribute aid
primarily in the event of high-profile emergencies, the increase over
the past two decades has been mostly in small to medium disasters.

But it is precisely these smaller disasters, when they follow quickly
upon each other with no opportunity for recovery, that can destroy
poor communities' abilities to support themselves.

Magrath noted that those least responsible for causing global warming
are being hardest hit by its effects.
Pastor Dave
2008-06-08 10:02:27 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT), martus
Post by martus
Luke 21
Jesus said in vs 20-22, that when Jerusalem
was surrounded and desolated, that all things
written would be fulfilled. That happened
in 70 AD.

And all of what follows that you posted was
written in the 1st century and said to people
in the 1st century, about people in the
1st century.

You redefine the "when", to make the "how"
about you, because to you, if it isn't all about
you, then the Bible is a useless waste of paper!

Both Jesus and the Apostles taught a return
within that same generation! But you don't
believe them! You'd rather believe your
newspaper prophecy!
Post by martus
Signs of the End of the Age
8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come
in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not
follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be
frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come
right away."
10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and
pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from
heaven.
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees.
30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that
summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you
know that the kingdom of God is near.
Matthew 24
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will
come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive
many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that
you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to
come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these
are the beginning of birth pains.
(note: the closer the birth, the increase in contractions, the closer
we are to the end times the more the famines flooding etc)
______________________________________________________________________
Natural Disasters Up More Than 400 Percent in Two Decades
(NaturalNews) The number of natural disasters around the world has
increased by more than four times in the last 20 years, according to a
report released by the British charity Oxfam. Oxfam analyzed data from
the Red Cross, United Nations and researchers at Louvain University in
Belgium. It found that the earth is currently experiencing
approximately 500 natural disasters per year, compared with 120 per
year in the early 1980s. The number of weather-related disasters in
2006 was 240, compared with 60 in 1980.
At the same time, the number of geologically related natural disasters
has held steady. Oxfam has attributed the increasing disaster rate to
global warming
"We are talking about some very unusual floods in West Africa, very
unusual floods in East Africa, extraordinary floods in Mexico and
parts of Central America, and heat waves in Greece [and] eastern
Europe," report author John Magrath said.
"This is no freak year," said Oxfam director Barbara Stocking. "It
follows a pattern of more frequent, more erratic, more unpredictable
and more extreme weather events that are affecting more people."
Between 1985 and 1994, Oxfam found that 174 million people were
affected by disasters each year. In the following decade, this figure
increased by 70 percent to 254 million people per year.
The increasing disaster rate has disproportionately affected the poor,
the report noted. Although rich countries tend to distribute aid
primarily in the event of high-profile emergencies, the increase over
the past two decades has been mostly in small to medium disasters.
But it is precisely these smaller disasters, when they follow quickly
upon each other with no opportunity for recovery, that can destroy
poor communities' abilities to support themselves.
Magrath noted that those least responsible for causing global warming
are being hardest hit by its effects.
--
Don't forget, Judas also left early.
martus
2008-02-27 22:09:32 UTC
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Barack Obama Would Take Back Vote Helping Terri Schiavo Avoid
Euthanasia


Cleveland, OH (LifeNews.com) -- Senator Barack Obama debated his
Democratic rival Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night and said his biggest
mistake was voting with a unanimous Senate to help save Terri Schiavo.
Terri is the disabled Florida woman whose husband won the legal right
to starve her to death.

In March 2005, just weeks before Terri died from a painful 14-day
starvation and dehydration death, Congress approved legislation
allowing her family to take its case from state courts to federal
courts in an effort to stop the euthanasia from proceeding.

Terri was not on any artificial breathing apparatus and only required
a feeding tube to eat and drink. Her family had filed a lawsuit
against her former husband to allow them to care for her and give her
proper medical and rehabilitative care.


The Senate unanimously approved a compromise bill, which the House
eventually supported on a lopsided bipartisan vote and President Bush
signed, to help the disabled woman.

During the Tuesday debate, Obama said he should have stood up against
the life-saving legislation.

"It wasn't something I was comfortable with, but it was not something
that I stood on the floor and stopped," Obama said.

"And I think that was a mistake, and I think the American people
understood that that was a mistake. And as a constitutional law
professor, I knew better," he added.

This isn't the first time Obama has said the biggest mistake he made
as senator was voting to help try to stop Terri from being euthanized.

_________________________________________________________________

And then you have Demoncrap Clinton who has no problems murdering the
helpless but her particular fancy is the unborn.


More on Babylon and the Beast here:

http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/05-WAR.html
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
2008-02-28 05:34:21 UTC
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...Terri died from a painful 14-day
starvation and dehydration death...
Ah, I see you're still busily lying for your monster-in-the-sky.

That death would have been painful if Terri's brain had still been alive.

It wasn't.

What died there was just an empty shell.

Live with it.

And either stop lying or openly admit to being a hypocrite fuckface.
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism

The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
martus
2008-03-01 00:01:12 UTC
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Obama Makes Pledge To Planned Parenthood: "I Will Not Yield To Pro-
Life Concerns"

On Wednesday a full transcript of Democrat presidential candidate
Senator Barack Obama's July 2007 speech to the Planned Parenthood
Action Fund in which he vigorously defended legalized abortion became
available. In the July 17 speech, Obama attacked the Supreme Court
decision that upheld the federal partial-birth abortion ban and the
nomination of Supreme Court justices who favor overturning Roe v.
Wade.

____________________________________________________________

Barack Obama Would Take Back Vote Helping Terri Schiavo Avoid
Euthanasia

Cleveland, OH (LifeNews.com) -- Senator Barack Obama debated his
Democratic rival Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night and said his
biggest
mistake was voting with a unanimous Senate to help save Terri
Schiavo.
Terri is the disabled Florida woman whose husband won the legal right
to starve her to death.


In March 2005, just weeks before Terri died from a painful 14-day
starvation and dehydration death, Congress approved legislation
allowing her family to take its case from state courts to federal
courts in an effort to stop the euthanasia from proceeding.


Terri was not on any artificial breathing apparatus and only required
a feeding tube to eat and drink. Her family had filed a lawsuit
against her former husband to allow them to care for her and give her
proper medical and rehabilitative care.


The Senate unanimously approved a compromise bill, which the House
eventually supported on a lopsided bipartisan vote and President Bush
signed, to help the disabled woman.


During the Tuesday debate, Obama said he should have stood up against
the life-saving legislation.


"It wasn't something I was comfortable with, but it was not something
that I stood on the floor and stopped," Obama said.


"And I think that was a mistake, and I think the American people
understood that that was a mistake. And as a constitutional law
professor, I knew better," he added.


This isn't the first time Obama has said the biggest mistake he made
as senator was voting to help try to stop Terri from being
euthanized.


_________________________________________________________________


And then you have Demoncrap Clinton who has no problems murdering the
helpless but her particular fancy is the unborn and witchcraft.




More on Babylon and the Beast here:


http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/05-WAR.html
martus
2007-09-06 07:23:44 UTC
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martus
2007-10-03 22:49:16 UTC
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The story spun by the Antichrist followers.....................


Princess Diana said she would be 'got rid of'
By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
Last Updated: 2:02am BST 03/10/2007



Princess Diana told her solicitor that both she and Camilla Parker
Bowles were going to be "got rid of" so Prince Charles could marry
Royal nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke, her inquest heard.


In a meeting with Lord Mishcon two years before her death, Diana
claimed she would be "put aside" in a car accident involving "brake
failure" and also insisted the Queen was about to abdicate in favour
of Prince Charles.


Mohamed Fayed was angered by the coroner's comments


Details of the astonishing meeting were revealed by coroner Lord
Justice Scott Baker on the first day of the inquest into the deaths of
Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed in a Paris car crash in August 1997.

The coroner said Diana went to see Lord Mishcon, head of legal firm
Mishcon de Reya, in October 1995, during which she had told him
"reliable sources" had informed her of the plan to kill her.

Lord Mishcon, who has since died, kept the meeting a secret at the
time, but made notes which were read out by the coroner at London's
High Court.

In the note, the lawyer said Diana had told him: "The Queen would be
abdicating in April and the Prince of Wales would then assume the
throne."

Diana also claimed that the "authorities" would "get rid of her" in a
car accident involving "brake failure".

"She was convinced that there was a conspiracy, that she and Camilla
would be put aside."

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Diana also told Lord Mishcon that Tiggy had had an abortion and she
would obtain a medical certificate to prove it.

Similar claims were made in a letter written by Diana to her butler
Paul Burrell in 1993, in which she said: "My husband is planning an
accident in my car, brake failure or some serious head injury in order
to make the path clear for him to marry Tiggy.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Consider this:

Di knew that they were trying to kill her and told people so they
needed to make her seem crazy.

If not for Mohamed Fayed making a stink about his son being killed in
that accident the whole murder would of blown over a long time ago and
it would be King Charles by now.

Di's husband needed to find some way of looking respectable quickly so
he married one of the brotherhoods wife "Camilla Bowles". A woman past
her reproductive age, much uglier then his wife because the truth of
the matter is the man's is gay and not interested in woman and is why
his wife went looking elsewhere in the first place.

Now they say that she said, that he was having an affair with Tiggy
and that he also wanted to get rid of Camilla to try and paint the
picture that Di was mad and her husband was some sort of playboy,
another smoke screen to hide his true inclinations.

The third person that Di spoke of in the marriage was not another
woman but a MAN!



Want Proof?
__________



Prince Charles flies back into vortex of scandal


John Arlidge and Jessica Hodgson
Sunday November 9, 2003
The Observer


Prince Charles flies back to Britain today after his two-week tour
of
India and the Middle East as the scandal over allegations of a
sexual
incident involving him and a royal servant(male) reaches new
heights.

Internet sites in Europe and the US yesterday published lurid
details
of the alleged incident while British newspapers, gagged by a court
injunction, subjected the prince to the worst criticism he has
faced.
Clarence House was bracing itself for fresh revelations in today's
newspapers.


Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF
WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-09-06 07:56:42 UTC
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Loss of Arctic ice leaves experts stunnedDavid Adam, environment
correspondent Guardian Unlimited Tuesday September 4 2007

An iceberg melts in Kulusuk, Greenland near the Arctic circle. Photo:
John McConnico/AP

The Arctic ice cap has collapsed at an unprecedented rate this summer
and levels of sea ice in the region now stand at record lows,
scientists have announced.

Experts say they are "stunned" by the loss of ice, with an area almost
twice as big as the UK disappearing in the last week alone.

So much ice has melted this summer that the Northwest passage across
the top of Canada is fully navigable, and observers say the Northeast
passage along Russia's Arctic coast could open later this month.

If the increased rate of melting continues, the summertime Arctic
could be totally free of ice by 2030.

Mark Serreze, an Arctic specialist at the US National Snow and Ice
Data Centre at Colorado University in Denver, said: "It's amazing.
It's simply fallen off a cliff and we're still losing ice."

The Arctic has now lost about a third of its ice since satellite
measurements began thirty years ago, and the rate of loss has
accelerated sharply since 2002.

Dr Serreze said: "If you asked me a couple of years ago when the
Arctic could lose all of its ice then I would have said 2100, or 2070
maybe. But now I think that 2030 is a reasonable estimate. It seems
that the Arctic is going to be a very different place within our
lifetimes, and certainly within our childrens' lifetimes."

The new figures show that sea ice extent is currently down to 4.4m
square kilometres (1.7m square miles) and still falling.

The previous record low was 5.3m square kilometres in September 2005.
From 1979 to 2000 the average sea ice extent was 7.7m square
kilometres.

The sea ice usually melts in the Arctic summer and freezes again in
the winter. But Dr Serreze said that would be difficult this year.

"This summer we've got all this open water and added heat going into
the ocean. That is going to make it much harder for the ice to grow
back."

Changes in wind and ocean circulation patterns can help reduce sea ice
extent, but Dr Serreze said the main culprit was man-made global
warming.

"The rules are starting to change and what's changing the rules is the
input of greenhouse gases."


______________________________________________________________________

Luke 21

25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-09-06 21:53:32 UTC
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07 September 2007 View all news | Send to a friend | Print


Drought 'is here to stay'


CENTRAL Victoria's present climate is the new reality, so stop
thinking the drought will end, experts said yesterday.
They also warned to prepare for the price of water to increase by more
than 70 per cent, food prices to skyrocket, algal blooms to rapidly
develop in lakes and dams and the prospect of even harsher water
restrictions.

Farmers and irrigators will also have to decide if their future is on
the land or if they would be better off cutting their losses.

The dire warnings came at a national weather and climate update in
Melbourne, where representatives from the National Climate Centre, the
Murray Darling Basin Commission and the Water Services Commission
Association of Australia spoke of the future of the nation's climatic
conditions.

''The drought is certainly not over; this drought continues," said the
head of the Bureau of Meteorology's National Climate Centre, Dr Mike
Coughlan.

''The situation is that we are still in long-term drought. We must
learn now to live with less water." The effects of the new conditions
would be disastrous for farmers and irrigators, warned the Murray
Darling Basin Commission's chief executive, Dr Wendy Craik. ''We would
imagine there's going to be a significant amount of water trade
continuing in the system as those who, for whatever reason, want to
sell their water," she said.

''I would say with some certainty that food production, which is
reliant on irrigation water from the lower Murray Darling, will be
lower than last year and lower than the year before that, because
there won't be as much water available." ''It wouldn't be surprising
if food prices did go up, especially fresh produce." Dr Coughlan told
The Advertiser farmers had been teased with early winter rain which
had now died.

''Crops are now suffering because there has been no follow-up rain,"
he said.

''They have to plan now for non-viability.' 'Some will continue to
struggle on, but others will have to say enough is enough." Dr
Coughlan warned the Murray Darling Basin's salinity levels would rise
because of reduced flows and flushes.

''The system is in trouble, it's not a pretty picture," he said.

The executive director of the Water Services Association of Australia,
Ross Young did not rule out the possibility of stage five water
restrictions in years to come.

''We are going to try and avoid using the term `drought' and saying
`This is the new reality'," he said.

''The fact of life is you can't have cities or towns running out of
water." Although water was comparatively cheaper than gas or
electricity, Mr Young said further water price rises were imminent.''
Urban water prices are going to increase dramatically in a five to 10
year period and the reason for that is the $30 billion of
infrastructure that's being built will need to be paid for by somebody
- that will be the urban consumer through higher tariffs," he said.

''Water is a valuable resource and everybody's got to do their bit to
ensure we use it in the most efficient and sustainable manner because
it's a critical issue."

_________________________________________________________________________________________________


Famine and Plague(birdflu,aids,etc)
_________________________________

Revelation 6:7-8 (New International Version)

7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the
fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me was
a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close
behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill
by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.




Algee blooms (note algee has a reddish/brownish tinge and looks like
congealed blood)
__________________________________________________________________________

Revelation 16
4The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of
water, and they became blood. 5Then I heard the angel in charge of the
waters say:
"You are just in these judgments,
you who are and who were, the Holy One,
because you have so judged;
6for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve."



Global Warming
__________________

Revelation 16
8The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was
given power to scorch people with fire. 9They were seared by the
intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over
these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.


End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-10-27 23:01:16 UTC
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Mistylien
2007-10-28 06:02:21 UTC
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top post

The Mississippi is still full of water and in fact it is even up a quite a bit.


"martus" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Many states seen facing water shortages By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated
Press Writer
Fri Oct 26, 9:24 PM ET



WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - An epic drought in Georgia threatens the water
supply for millions. Florida doesn't have nearly enough water for its
expected population boom. The Great Lakes are shrinking. Upstate New
York's reservoirs have dropped to record lows. And in the West, the
Sierra Nevada snowpack is melting faster each year. Across America,
the picture is critically clear - the nation's freshwater supplies can
no longer quench its thirst.



The government projects that at least 36 states will face water
shortages within five years because of a combination of rising
temperatures, drought, population growth, urban sprawl, waste and
excess.

"Is it a crisis? If we don't do some decent water planning, it could
be," said Jack Hoffbuhr, executive director of the Denver-based
American Water Works Association.

Water managers will need to take bold steps to keep taps flowing,
including conservation, recycling, desalination and stricter controls
on development.

"We've hit a remarkable moment," said Barry Nelson, a senior policy
analyst with the Natural Resources Defense Council. "The last century
was the century of water engineering. The next century is going to
have to be the century of water efficiency."

The price tag for ensuring a reliable water supply could be
staggering. Experts estimate that just upgrading pipes to handle new
supplies could cost the nation $300 billion over 30 years.

"Unfortunately, there's just not going to be any more cheap water,"
said Randy Brown, Pompano Beach's utilities director.

It's not just America's problem - it's global.

Australia is in the midst of a 30-year dry spell, and population
growth in urban centers of sub-Saharan Africa is straining resources.
Asia has 60 percent of the world's population, but only about 30
percent of its freshwater.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations
network of scientists, said this year that by 2050 up to 2 billion
people worldwide could be facing major water shortages.

___________________________________________________________________________­
______________________


Famine and Plague(birdflu,aids,etc)
_________________________________

Revelation 6:7-8 (New International Version)

7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the
fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me
was
a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following
close
behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill
by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.


Revelation 6:5-6 (New International Version)
5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living
creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse!
Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what
sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart
of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's
wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

(Work all day for a mouthful of food, note without water crops fail
and there is little food)



Algee blooms (note algee has a reddish/brownish tinge and looks like
congealed blood)

__________________________________________________________________________

Revelation 16
4The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of
water, and they became blood. 5Then I heard the angel in charge of
the
waters say:
"You are just in these judgments,
you who are and who were, the Holy One,
because you have so judged;
6for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve."

Global Warming
__________________
Revelation 16
8The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was
given power to scorch people with fire. 9They were seared by the
intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over
these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.


End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
Mistylien
2007-09-07 06:50:19 UTC
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Post by martus
Loss of Arctic ice leaves experts stunnedDavid Adam, environment
correspondent Guardian Unlimited Tuesday September 4 2007
John McConnico/AP
The Arctic ice cap has collapsed at an unprecedented rate this summer
and levels of sea ice in the region now stand at record lows,
scientists have announced.
Experts say they are "stunned" by the loss of ice, with an area almost
twice as big as the UK disappearing in the last week alone.
They have no need to be stunned as you claim.
All they need to do is look up at the skies from time to time and
expalin those Jet Chrmical trails they are putting up there to block
the cold from excaping as it did before they started to spay and
Pollute our skies.
------------------------------------------------------
Post by martus
So much ice has melted this summer that the Northwest passage across
the top of Canada is fully navigable, and observers say the Northeast
passage along Russia's Arctic coast could open later this month.
If the increased rate of melting continues, the summertime Arctic
could be totally free of ice by 2030.
Mark Serreze, an Arctic specialist at the US National Snow and Ice
Data Centre at Colorado University in Denver, said: "It's amazing.
It's simply fallen off a cliff and we're still losing ice."
The Arctic has now lost about a third of its ice since satellite
measurements began thirty years ago, and the rate of loss has
accelerated sharply since 2002.
Dr Serreze said: "If you asked me a couple of years ago when the
Arctic could lose all of its ice then I would have said 2100, or 2070
maybe. But now I think that 2030 is a reasonable estimate. It seems
that the Arctic is going to be a very different place within our
lifetimes, and certainly within our childrens' lifetimes."
The new figures show that sea ice extent is currently down to 4.4m
square kilometres (1.7m square miles) and still falling.
The previous record low was 5.3m square kilometres in September 2005.
From 1979 to 2000 the average sea ice extent was 7.7m square
kilometres.
The sea ice usually melts in the Arctic summer and freezes again in
the winter. But Dr Serreze said that would be difficult this year.
"This summer we've got all this open water and added heat going into
the ocean. That is going to make it much harder for the ice to grow
back."
Changes in wind and ocean circulation patterns can help reduce sea ice
extent, but Dr Serreze said the main culprit was man-made global
warming.
"The rules are starting to change and what's changing the rules is the
input of greenhouse gases."
______________________________________________________________________
Luke 21
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing
of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and
lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
martus
2007-09-14 07:07:36 UTC
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God
____


You can not make something out of nothing so something has always been
there, that something is the eternal God. The Christian Bible says the
God is in all and everything was made out of God, then anyone that
thinks that God is the size of a mountain or even a planet is sadly
deceived by some being that is not a God as God is at least as big as
the universe of matter, light and energy.

Moses asked to see God and God said that if he did he would die and
maybe one of the reason is that it would take many human lifetimes to
see everything that is God. When God spoke to God's people, the
mountain shook and the people where afraid and they said to Moses let
God speak to you and then you can speak to us because we are so afraid
and God agreed. Although God spoke to Moses, Moses was not perfect and
God said that soon God would bring into the world a perfect man
through whom God would speak through. This Man would be directly
linked to God and would speak what God wanted Him to speak, this Man
is Jesus, God's Son.

Through Jesus mankind can have a personal relationship with God, the
source of all life and this source is better known as the Father as
that is where all life originated from. Jesus Himself says that if you
know Him you know the Father as Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus is
God's Word spoken through this Human form to us so that we may know
God who loves His creation with the heart of any decent Father towards
His own children, as tiny as we are in the body of God we are so
important to God. As the Word reflect the mind of God it also reflect
the mind of man as the Word is in Human Form, the man called Jesus
speaks to us and this is how God understands us.

All living beings came from God and were allowed to develop
independent thinking and choice but in Jesus' case there is an
exception in that He is still connected to God and fullfills what He
is instructed to do. The Word was still there before Jesus was born
but the connection between God and man wasn't on such a personal
level. When there is a separation from God another being develops.
When man speaks, his words leave him and have a life separate from the
man that spoke them carried by the air to the ears of those who are
receptive to these words, when God speaks his Word leaves Him and are
carried by the power of God and although separate from God still
reflects God's thoughts, that is why Jesus is called the Son of God
because Jesus the Word, came fom the Father.

Creation was brought into being through the Word of God and the power
of God made it a reality. The Power of God as with the Word of God
have always being with the source of God, the Father. This Power is
rarely discussed as it is the Word that is important but this Power is
known as Michael the Holy Spirit, the chief of God's angels who is
under the authority of God's Word, Jesus.

Now back to the creation of Man, God said that God would make man in
"our" image not "my" image. God is Father, Son and the Holy Spirit
"Michael" and in the same fashion Man was made. We know that Man is
the source of the words that come out of his mouth but when man (as a
general rule) speaks, what he says does not usually materialise
because they do not have that power/angel to perform this for them. In
the case of Moses, Moses spoke and water came out of rocks, in the
case of Jesus, Jesus spoke and the people were healed just to
demonstrate the power of God when it is with the words of an
individual.

Everthing got messed up when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the
knowledge of Good and Evil as man could not control the corrupting
influences of Evil on his mind. The angels of Adam and Eve better
known as Lucifer and Satan rebelled against God and Mankind and began
an independent kingdom, the kingdom of hell who Lucifer now reigns and
is confined in.

The bible speaks of the time when the sons of God (angels of men)
produced children from human women and created the giants called the
Nephlim. God punished these male angels (Lucifer their king) and
confined them to hell and these Nephlim were destroyed by God in the
flood that swallowed up the earth and destroyed corrupt mankind with
it, except for Noah and his family who were saved in the ark. Although
the bodies of the Nephlim were destroyed, their evil spirits were
allowed to escape the confines of hell and are allowed to tempt/
torment/posses/inhabit mankind till God calls an end to this period in
time and punishes all wickedness once and for all. These evil spirits
are also known as demons and many other names in many other languages
and do cohabit with mankind in their bodies especially those that call
on them. They give people supernatural powers but they are evil and
will corrupt those that allow them a home in their bodies and their
final punishment will be the lake of fire that God has prepared for
them in the future.

The angels of women (their Queen is Satan and although Satan is
refered to in the male sense do not forget that wo_men and fe_ males
are also) that rebel against God are allowed freedom for now and they
test mankind in a different way. They seem to want mankind to worship
them as gods and goddesses but even though these fallen angels are
powerful and could destroy all of mankind if they wanted to, they are
not allowed unless the God of creation allows it otherwise they would
also be confined to hell till the judgement day. These rebellious
angels created from God are puny compared to the God of Creation and
delude themselves by calling themselves gods as foolish mankind does
also when they sing that same tune.

God created Adam in God's image and the power of Adam was the angel
Lucifer, from Adam and Lucifer God created Eve and the angel Satan and
all was in harmony till the knowledge of evil corrupted mankind, but
the union of mankind with angels will one day be restored and it is
only through Jesus, God's Word that this can be done. The bible tells
us that God sends us God's Holy Spirit to bring us into a closer union
with God and this Holy Spirit is our angel under Michael(who is Jesus'
angel) the chief of the angels who is under Jesus, God's Word. The
bible speaks about our angels who are in the presense of God
constantly but if we corrupt ourselves worshipping these false
gods(fallen angels) or allows ourselves to be seduced into evil by the
demons then we ourselves may also share the fate of the demons and the
fallen angels who will be caste into the lake of fire on judgement
day.

Mankind who have died, although their bodies have rotted away, there
essence(soul) lives on and are either tormented in hell under Lucifer
and the fallen angels and demons in his kingdom of the corrupt waiting
judgement or with Jesus waiting for the resurrection when Mankind and
Angels are again united as one, truly becoming like God, the children
of God.

What power or gift from fallen angels and demons can compare to the
gifts that God can give to those that stay true to God to the best of
their abilities and although those that follow God are not perfect
they are forgiven through Jesus and the death Jesus took for us
because of our sin.

I have not seen one of these fallen angels but have read about others
that have. One particular fallen angel parades around as the mother of
Jesus and wants those that see her to worship her and to pray to her
so that she can pray to the Son. Jesus specifically states that to
pray to the Father of all life then pray in Jesus' name and each and
every person is granted this because Jesus wants each and everyone of
us to come to a knowledge of the Father. We do not have to pray to
this rebellious angel that parades around insisting that it must be
honoured before we can pray to Jesus or the Father and thus trying to
steal the worship of people that belongs only to the Father. Jesus
made that path open to everyone and it is only through Jesus that
anyone is saved. Those that have not heard about Jesus are not
necessarily lost as they will be judged by Jesus on their actions and
in their hearts are written the laws of God, they know what is right
and wrong.

The bible also speaks about the future and has predicted global
warming and a lot of other things as well and through your Holy Spirit
can open these things up to you but first you need to understand how
God think's and the best way is to keep reading the bible and things
in there with time become clearer.

I know from first hand experience that a body and it's soul can be
separated as mine has. My soul has come out of my body twice and I
have seen my body from above in two separate occassions. The second
time it happened and my soul left my body it was when I was with a
group of friends, I could see myself and them quite clearly but then I
spotted a demon behind us. I know it was a demon because it wanted to
join with me, co-habitate in my body as it no longer had one of it's
own to live in.

This demon looked like a thin cloaked old man in the shadows and at
first it was friendly but when I didn't want to join with it, it got
angrier and angrier. I prayed God's prayer "Our Father, ..." and
instantly came back into my own body. People think that how can a
person talk and see without a body. Thoughts were communicated between
this demons and myself and it had one benefit above normal talk, you
could feel the intent of those words, the evil behind them. Seeing was
more clearer as in my body I could not see the demon and outside my
body I could and one of the apostles said that this body is only a
tent, outside the tent you can see clearer, inside the tent you feel
safe and secure.

The first time my soul came out of my body it floated to the roof and
stayed there for a while, I could see the back of my head from the
ceiling. Then after a short while I shot back into my body but
continued going into a tunnel of light and at the end of it there was
in a large open area. I remember a glow all around in the distance and
the glow was people/angels? shinning, I assumed this because I could
hear a singing but did not understand the words they were singing but
I knew it came from the surrounding glow in the distance. I could see
this giant shining man in front of me that simply said/thought to me
"Go Back" and I knew it was Jesus who said it to me and He knew
everything about me and truley did love me. And then I was back in my
body at that same instant Jesus spoke to me. In my body I started to
wonder did what happen really happen and next minute I again started
hearing the singing and again started to feel the pull of my soul in
the inside of my body and then I doubted no more and the singing and
the pull stopped.

I tell you this not because I am holy, only God is holy, but because
it did happen to me.


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martus
2007-09-15 21:57:42 UTC
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Monarch faith role 'should stay'

Dr Williams rejected any change in the King's function
Prince Charles should not become defender of all faiths rather than
just Christianity when he becomes King, the Archbishop of Canterbury
has insisted.
Dr Rowan Williams also said his coronation should be a Christian
rather than a multi-faith service.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Daily Telegraph he described
Britain as a "broken society" and said urgent action was needed by the
government.

He also called for the abortion law to be tightened in the UK.

The archbishop forthrightly rejected any change for Prince Charles in
the function adopted by his ancestor Henry VIII as defender of the
Christian faith when he becomes titular head of the Church of
England.

The Prince of Wales first expressed a wish to become "Defender of
Faith" rather than "Defender of the Faith" in an interview in 1994.


Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
37 Neither shall he regard THE GOD OF HIS FATHERS, nor the desire of
women, nor regard any god: FOR HE SHALL MAGNIFY HIMSELF ABOVE ALL.


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martus
2007-10-11 06:59:48 UTC
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Insect Drones 'Spotted' on U.S. Streets (Updated)
By Sharon Weinberger October 10, 2007

Sightings of Elvis robotic-looking insects -- combined with reports
that the Pentagon is working on cyborg insects -- is prompting people
to speculate that the government has perhaps already deployed this
super-cool technology. As the Washington Post reports in an article
that truly made my day:

"I heard someone say, 'Oh my god, look at those,' " the college
senior from New York recalled. "I look up and I'm like, 'What the hell
is that?' They looked kind of like dragonflies or little helicopters.
But I mean, those are not insects."

Out in the crowd, Bernard Crane saw them, too.

"I'd never seen anything like it in my life," the Washington lawyer
said. "They were large for dragonflies. I thought, 'Is that
mechanical, or is that alive?' "

That is just one of the questions hovering over a handful of similar
sightings at political events in Washington and New York. Some suspect
the insectlike drones are high-tech surveillance tools, perhaps
deployed by the Department of Homeland Security.
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Bible speaks about these man made insects which come out of the smoke
and cause pain to those 666 microchipped people.

Revelation 9
1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had
fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the
shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like
the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by
the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon
the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or
tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their
foreheads. 5They were not given power to kill them, but only to
torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like
that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6During those
days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die,
but death will elude them.




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Warhol
2007-09-15 23:30:51 UTC
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Post by martus
If he became king, Charles would be the supreme governor of the
Anglican Church of England and some Anglicans remain opposed to the
remarriage of divorcees. (Queen is now)
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Prince Charles flies back into vortex of scandal
John Arlidge and Jessica Hodgson
Sunday November 9, 2003
The Observer
Prince Charles flies back to Britain today after his two-week tour of
India and the Middle East as the scandal over allegations of a sexual
incident involving him and a royal servant(male) reaches new heights.
Internet sites in Europe and the US yesterday published lurid details
of the alleged incident while British newspapers, gagged by a court
injunction, subjected the prince to the worst criticism he has faced.
Clarence House was bracing itself for fresh revelations in today's
newspapers.
Daniel 11:37 (KJV)
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, NOR THE DESIRE OF
WOMEN, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
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Britain to give gay couples equal rights
LONDON, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Next week's Queen's Speech to be read in
British parliament will suggest same-sex couples be given the same
rights as married couples, a report said Monday.
In what amounts to legal recognition of "gay marriage," thousands of
gay couples will be able to register their partnerships and benefit
from inheritance, tax and next-of-kin rights, the Times of London
reported.
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Church releases sexuality guide>From correspondents in London
05nov03
THE Church of England overnight urged a full debate on the issue of
homosexuality, publishing a guide designed to foster unbiased
communication on the contentious issue.
Published by the Church of England House of Bishops, it comes just
two
days after the consecration of Canon Gene Robinson, an openly gay
man,
as Bishop of New Hampshire. His elevation by the Episcopal Church,
the
US branch of Anglicanism, has threatened to split the 77 million
strong worldwide Anglican Communion.
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In the book " FREEMASONRY AND THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT" - 81 quotes from
Masonic books prove the connections with the New Age.
New Age Leader Benjamin Creme is quoted as saying "That Masonic
Lodges
Will Be Used for New Age Initiation".
This information is important because it shows his masonic connection
and when he stated
"Maitreya descended in July 1977 from His ancient retreat in the
Himalayas and took up residence in the Indian-Pakistani community of
London. He has been living and working there, seemingly as an
ordinary
man, His true status known to relatively few. He has been emerging
gradually into full public view so as not to infringe humanity's free
will."
And in a previous article in this run of articles called "Charles
promotes occultic healing!", it is ALSO in 1977 that Charles had this
spiritual experience (possession) and who is the top dogs of the
Freemasons if not the royalty.
"It is not generally known that in 1977 Prince Charles went on a
journey of spiritual discovery into the wilderness of northern Kenya
with the man who was to become his spiritual mentor, Laurens van der
Post, founder of the Wilderness Foundation. This organisation
specialises in exposing top people to life in the wild with the aim
of
re-tuning the Western mind set, to liberate its more primitive
intuitive side."
The Maitreya and Prince Charles are one and the same. At present the
"defender of the Faiths" is working behind the scenes with the
support
of the brotherhood of illuminating filtering down to their many
organisations eg the Freemasons, etc. creating this demonic new world
order.
And when this Antichrist will be head of the New World order it is
then he will transmit his message, via the implant to the people with
the mark, I am god.
2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being
gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily
unsettled
or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come
from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let
anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the
rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man
doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over
everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets
himself
up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
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Harry Potter Has Friends In High Places
Updated: 07:23, Wednesday July 18, 2007
The Church of England is using the magic of Harry Potter to spread the
word.
It is publishing a guide advising youth workers how to use JK
Rowling's wizardry as a "launch pad" for exploring Bible themes.
Days before the release of the spellbinder's final adventure, youth
leaders are being told they could use the popularity of the Potter
books to spread the Christian message.
It represents a shift in emphasis for the Church.
The Harry Potter books and films have been attacked in the past by
evangelicals for allegedly glamorising the occult.
But in recent years, the Harry Potter phenomenon has received backing
from Church figures including former archbishop of Canterbury Dr
George Carey.
He described the film as "great fun" and a serious examination of good
and evil.
And the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, described Harry
Potter author JK Rowling as a "great storyteller".
Author of the guide, 24-year-old Owen Smith, a youth worker at St
Margaret's Church in Rainham, Kent, said: "The magic in the books is
simply part of the magic that JK Rowling has created.
"To say, as some have, that these books draw younger readers towards
the occult seems to me both to malign JK Rowling and to vastly
underestimate the ability of children and young people to separate the
real from the imaginary."
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Prince Charles ain't not the king that the prophecy is talking about.
no the beast, the bloody is monster, is a king of the style of Herode,
who was crowned king, the seventh month of the Year 1999, at the ages
36 years, which was wrongly misunderstood till this day as 3*6 or the
famous 666...
martus
2007-09-24 23:28:34 UTC
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GENETIC WORK REACHING STARTLING POINT OF CREATING 'CHIMERAS,'
CREATURES THAT WOULD BE PART-HUMAN AND PART-ANIMAL


It is time for Catholics and all of humankind to realize one of the
greatest threats since Creation, a threat that ranks alongside
abortion as a temptation for Heavenly wrath, a challenge to God
Himself as the one Who creates, Who forms life in the way it should be
formed.

As outlined in Tower of Light, moves are now afoot to genetically
alter many kinds of crops, to clone animals, to even combine plant and
animal genes, and to clone human embryos for stem cells.

But as the book documents, the situation has gone far beyond that --
into the realm of changing the very nature of humans.

Indeed, the situation is such that some scientists even propose
creation of a new creature called the "humanzee" -- by combining human
and ape genes.

In England, the government has approved the creation of animal-human
embryos for therapeutic stem-cell purposes -- so that human tissue and
organs can be grown -- and a chilling new survey announced last week
found, as one headline puts it, "Almost half of Canadians back human-
animal embryo research, given benefits."

These dramatic events are taking place all around us and yet have been
met with an incredible silence.

"Almost half of Canadians back human-animal embryo research, given
benefits."

The word "benefit" is a trigger because the prophecy discussed in
Tower of Light specifically warned that "there will arise a new evil
the likes of which mankind has never before encountered, with few
people noticing the depth of its evil, for it will appear to have
beneficial and convenient aspects."

That prediction was uttered in 1990.

Now -- nearly two decades later -- genetic manipulation of what God
created has surged out of control. There is a genetically-altered
super-cow that is three times the size of a normal one. There are pigs
that have genes taken from fireflies -- genes that make them glow
subtly in the dark. A racehorse has been cloned. There is a mosquito
with luminous eyes (see Time, September 22 issue).

These are not rumors. They are not taken from supermarket tabloids. In
Europe trees have been bombarded with DNA-coated particles to make
them grow faster (trees that wildlife avoid), massive quantities of
corn -- a symbol of life in many culture -- has been genetically
altered (with pollen that spreads elsewhere), and tomatoes have been
injected with flounder DNA -- with genetic material from fish -- to
make them more resistant to cold temperatures.

We are not only blurring species, but life forms. Already firefly
genes have been transferred into corn and hamster genes to tobacco.

There also is now "pharming": an experimental method of inserting
human or animal genes into plants so they will become "biofactories"
for producing pharmaceuticals. Inserted in a plant, some genes could
cause that plant to produce, for instance, insulin, blood-clotting
compounds, vaccines, antibodies, or even contraceptives.

Beneficial.

There are pigs with human blood, rabbit eggs that have been fused with
human DNA, and human stem cells that have been injected to make
paralyzed rodents walk.

Beneficial?

A barrier has been broken that raises countless questions - and even
brings up the issue of cannibalism: are we allowed to eat crops with
human genes, and if so, how many such genes?

"Clearly, human embryonic stem cells were an aspect or the central
aspect alluded to by the 1990 missive," says the book. "They wanted to
use cells from aborted babies, from cloned embryos, or by fusing human
cells with the ova or 'eggs' from cows, goats, and rabbits (thus
circumventing moral objections to human cloning, since the embryos
would be human only in part) and increasing the supply.

"In this manner, scientists could take skin cells from patients and
convert them into other forms of tissue such as kidney cells as the
cells were reprogrammed, if kidney tissue was what someone needed. The
word 'benefit' came into sharp relief when the National Academy of
Sciences -- the Vatican of science -- estimated that there are at
least 100 million Americans who could benefit from stem-cell
therapies."

But manipulation of DNA -- and especially the mix of human and animal
cells: any induced mutation -- is outside the Divine order and
reflects on how scientists have operated in a way that excludes God.
It is the end result, says the book, of thinking that had sprung from
the theory of evolution.

Indeed, there is direct defiance best seen in how one openly anti-
religious psychologist publicly stated that reproductive facilities
should work towards creating a race of human-chimpanzee hybrids "if
for no other reason than to offend Christians."

Similar views have been expressed by one of the co-discoverers of the
DNA structure, Dr. James Watson, who says that "only with the
discovery of the double helix and the ensuing genetic revolution have
we had grounds for thinking that the powers held traditionally to be
the exclusive property of the gods might one day be ours."

His partner, Dr. Francis Crick, is quoted as adding that the "God
hypothesis" is "rather discredited" -- and that his distaste for
religion was one of his prime motives in the work he and Watson had
accomplished (which led to genetic engineering).

This direct antipathy to God bolsters the prophecy's startling
statement that science is the Lord's greatest current nemesis -
especially that science which meddles with the genetic.

Incredible as it sounds, mice have been implanted with human brain
cells -- and to such an extent that that National Academy of Sciences
has advised scientists that such implantations "could take researchers
onto treacherous ground. There are some frightening potential
scenarios. In one, altered creatures might achieve consciousness and
self-awareness but not be able to communicate their awakening."

In other words, a human brain might find itself trapped inside a lower
mammal. So far have things gone that some scientists have felt the
need to agree among themselves that they should stop an experiment if
an altered mouse -- if a mouse with human brain tissue -- does
something that seems too human.

A proposal to do just that -- to create mice with brains all but
completely concocted of human cells -- was approved by an ethics
committee at Stanford University.

In the future, say some scientists, animals or half-humans will grow
spare-part organs for us, while humans themselves will be genetically
or electronically altered to live longer. We are on the verge, say
some scientists, of a "post human" era.

Could such really be in God's Plan?

The manipulation has been across the board -- and must now be
addressed in a way that is as urgent as other great evils like
abortion.

There are mutant chicks with full sets of teeth and catfish in Alabama
that have been laced with DNA from carp -- skewing what God intended.

There are mutant rodents. There are mice with muscle-building genes.
They are all easily documented in secular reports.

But the greatest travesty is the cross between humans and animals.

Animals with human genes are known as "transgenics," while others,
implanted with human cells, are chillingly referred to as "chimeras."

"In ancient times, the Greeks revered the god Pan - part-man, part-
goat, who defended Athens against the Persians," said one scientific
commentary with no sense of irony. "Today, the dash of humanity
imbedded in Sweetheart and 59 other goats at a central Massachusetts
farm could provide a different but equally vital line of defense."

"The horror was now pronouncing itself before our eyes," warns Tower
of Light. "Coming to life were the idols, the half-humans, the jackal-
headed creatures, of Egypt. There was 'Sweetheart,' a brown-striped
goat with soulful eyes, and a human gene enabling her to produce a
'life-saving drug,' a human protein, in her milk."

"In a world where the bizarre has become all too commonplace, few
things any longer shock the human psyche," noted a writer named Jeremy
Rifkin.

"Now, scientists have their sights trained on breaking the final taboo
in the natural world -- crossing human and animals to create human-
animal hybrids of every kind and description.

"The horrific possibilities are mind-boggling. For example, what if
human stem cells were to be injected into an animal embryo and spread
throughout the animal's body into every organ?

"Some human cells could migrate to the testes and ovaries where they
could grow into human sperm and eggs. If two chimeric mice were to
mate, they could potentially conceive a human embryo. If the human
embryo were to be removed and implanted in a human womb, the resulting
baby's biological parents would have been chimeric mice."

The situation is only hopeless -- it is only frightening -- if it is
not addressed -- urgently -- with letters to congressmen, with letters
to newspapers, with pleas to our bishops to speak up about the
unspeakable.

Asks the book: are there already such creatures? Has the military
created them? Might they be useful? Has someone succeeded in a ghastly
clandestine experiment?

We can be sure only that if so, it is a challenge -- a unique affront
-- to the orthodox rendering of the Divine Order.

The Bible says that God required humans, animals, and plants to
reproduce "after their own kind."

Introducing animal genes into human DNA, or vice versa, creates an
unclassified mutation outside of that order.

Ultimately, there could be unforeseen hereditary effects that produce
animal characteristics in people. On one talk show callers felt there
was nothing wrong, it points out, with at least a few "interesting"
little things, like "having feathers instead of hair."

Most of it is in reverse: Human genes are inserted into beasts. Any
time now there will be hens laying eggs with anti-biotics, or even
anti-cancer drugs.

Brave new world! New benefits. Countless "benefits."

The only little glitch: in Greek mythology, the chimera was a hybrid
beast that breathed fire and foreshadowed disaster.

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**** The rebellious male angels mix the species between humans and
angels creating the giants that were evil. These giants were destroyed
in the flood and although they have no bodies they are with us in
spirit form and are refered to as evil spirits or demons. It is why
they have an affinity for bodies and are happy when the lost hand
themselves over to them so they can use their human bodies.

Genesis 6

2The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they
took wives of all they desired and chose.

3Then the Lord said, My Spirit shall not forever dwell and strive with
man, for he also is flesh; but his days shall yet be 120 years.

4There were giants on the earth in those days--and also afterward--
when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they bore
children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of
renown.

5The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and
that every imagination and intention of all human thinking was only
evil continually.

6And the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was
grieved at heart.

7So the Lord said, I will destroy, blot out, and wipe away mankind,
whom I have created from the face of the ground--not only man, [but]
the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air--for it
grieves Me and makes Me regretful that I have made them.



*****It is why God says do not mix the species, remember all animal
life, human life, and a lot of plant life was destroyed in the flood,
a cleansing of the pollution of cross breeding. Noah was perfect (not
messed up with other dna except human) and he and his family were
saved plus the animals which were true to their original design.


Leviticus 19

19 " 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.




******Again the world would be messed up like in the days of Noah with
this cross breeding of the species and men's though continually turned
to wickedness.

Matthew 24:37-39 (New International Version)
37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the
Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and
drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered
the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the
flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the
coming of the Son of Man.


*******And at the height of sin the Antichrist will come into power.

Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.

Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place

******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!

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2007-10-07 23:07:19 UTC
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Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
'That's what I believe. I believe Islam is a great religion that
preaches peace'


President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether
they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same
God" - an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when
he said it in November 2003.

___________________________________________________________________________________

Again the same mantra from the brotherhood of masons, "All religions
pray to the same God".

All religions do not pray to the same God, most have made the
rebellious angels their gods and do not worship the true God who
created all the angels with freewill.

Those fallen angels will not be a part of the eternal kingdom and
those that hang onto these puny so called gods will not be there
either.


Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of
angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great
detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up
with idle notions.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The prize is eternal life with God and there is a man who will claim
to be "Defender of the faiths" when he is crowned king and prophecy's
from the bible seem to be coming true in that this man seems to be
fullfilling them in his actions.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.

Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place




******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in
reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he
will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!








End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
Mistylien
2007-10-08 06:31:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by martus
Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
'That's what I believe. I believe Islam is a great religion that
preaches peace'
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether
they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same
God" - an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when
he said it in November 2003.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Again the same mantra from the brotherhood of masons, "All religions
pray to the same God".
All religions do not pray to the same God, most have made the
rebellious angels their gods and do not worship the true God who
created all the angels with freewill.
Those fallen angels will not be a part of the eternal kingdom and
those that hang onto these puny so called gods will not be there
either.
Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of
angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great
detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up
with idle notions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The prize is eternal life with God and there is a man who will claim
to be "Defender of the faiths" when he is crowned king and prophecy's
from the bible seem to be coming true in that this man seems to be
fullfilling them in his actions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world poweer for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?

When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?

See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in
reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.

Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.

+ + +
Post by martus
End times:http://mart1963.tripod.com/docs/04-UNHOLY3.html
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2007-10-08 07:04:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
Post by martus
Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
'That's what I believe. I believe Islam is a great religion that
preaches peace'
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether
they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same
God" - an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when
he said it in November 2003.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Again the same mantra from the brotherhood of masons, "All religions
pray to the same God".
All religions do not pray to the same God, most have made the
rebellious angels their gods and do not worship the true God who
created all the angels with freewill.
Those fallen angels will not be a part of the eternal kingdom and
those that hang onto these puny so called gods will not be there
either.
Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of
angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great
detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up
with idle notions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The prize is eternal life with God and there is a man who will claim
to be "Defender of the faiths" when he is crowned king and prophecy's
from the bible seem to be coming true in that this man seems to be
fullfilling them in his actions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world poweer for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???

What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.

"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross
that "was."

There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His Name is
"One," not "three."

Ike
Mistylien
2007-10-09 05:28:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by martus
Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
'That's what I believe. I believe Islam is a great religion that
preaches peace'
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether
they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same
God" - an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when
he said it in November 2003.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Again the same mantra from the brotherhood of masons, "All religions
pray to the same God".
All religions do not pray to the same God, most have made the
rebellious angels their gods and do not worship the true God who
created all the angels with freewill.
Those fallen angels will not be a part of the eternal kingdom and
those that hang onto these puny so called gods will not be there
either.
Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of
angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great
detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up
with idle notions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The prize is eternal life with God and there is a man who will claim
to be "Defender of the faiths" when he is crowned king and prophecy's
from the bible seem to be coming true in that this man seems to be
fullfilling them in his actions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world power for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???
What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
We are posting in Bible Prophecy.

The Bible prophesies about that coming antichrist "what was prophesied".

That office came into being in 538 AD, "What was fulfilled".
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied. The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today, "what is".

God will bring it to it total end when God sees it is time, "What will be"
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.
The + + + is the best I can do to indicate the 3 crosses of calvary.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was."
Your inception not what I ment it to be.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His Name is "One," not
"three."
As I said above it is the crosses of calvary.
One of us should have been on one of the other crosses.
But it is Jesus shead blood that has redeemed me today.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2007-10-09 18:40:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by martus
Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
'That's what I believe. I believe Islam is a great religion that
preaches peace'
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether
they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same
God" - an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when
he said it in November 2003.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Again the same mantra from the brotherhood of masons, "All religions
pray to the same God".
All religions do not pray to the same God, most have made the
rebellious angels their gods and do not worship the true God who
created all the angels with freewill.
Those fallen angels will not be a part of the eternal kingdom and
those that hang onto these puny so called gods will not be there
either.
Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of
angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great
detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up
with idle notions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The prize is eternal life with God and there is a man who will claim
to be "Defender of the faiths" when he is crowned king and prophecy's
from the bible seem to be coming true in that this man seems to be
fullfilling them in his actions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world power for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???
What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
We are posting in Bible Prophecy.
Yes, we are.

So what does the "was" iteration in Daniel's time have to do with the "will
be" iteration that is yet to come?
Post by Mistylien
The Bible prophesies about that coming antichrist "what was prophesied".
That it does.
Post by Mistylien
That office came into being in 538 AD, "What was fulfilled".
That prophecy was a deficient iteration, a fulfillment of the prophecy in
figures.

Antiochus Epiphanes represented antichrist.

Judas Maccabeus represent christ.

Jason represented the false prophet.

So what?

The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.

It was just a figure.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today, "what is".
Nonsense.

Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
Post by Mistylien
God will bring it to it total end when God sees it is time, "What will be"
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.
The + + + is the best I can do to indicate the 3 crosses of Calvary.
The three crosses of Calvary was Satan raising his signature over God.

The only one that counted was the one in the middle.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was."
Your inception not what I meant it to be.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His Name
is "One," not "three."
As I said above it is the crosses of Calvary.
Which is Satan's signature.

God is not divided.

His name is "one."

His number is "1."

His signature is one cross.

The beast's name is "three," i.e. three persons claiming to be one god, i.e.
the antitrinity.

Their number is "3."

Their signature is three crosses.

THAT'S what was erected at the crucifixion--Satan's signature.

Why would you want to proclaim Satan's name?
Post by Mistylien
One of us should have been on one of the other crosses.
But it is Jesus shead blood that has redeemed me today.
Jesus was the bridge between the repentant and the obstinate.

The only "tree" that counted was the one in the middle.

Ike
Mistylien
2007-10-10 06:07:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by martus
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world power for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???
What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
We are posting in Bible Prophecy.
Yes, we are.
So what does the "was" iteration in Daniel's time have to do with the "will be"
iteration that is yet to come?
Post by Mistylien
The Bible prophesies about that coming antichrist "what was prophesied".
That it does.
Post by Mistylien
That office came into being in 538 AD, "What was fulfilled".
That prophecy was a deficient iteration, a fulfillment of the prophecy in figures.
Antiochus Epiphanes represented antichrist.
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today, "what is".
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
God will bring it to it total end when God sees it is time, "What will be"
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.
The + + + is the best I can do to indicate the 3 crosses of Calvary.
The three crosses of Calvary was Satan raising his signature over God.
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an inocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The only one that counted was the one in the middle.
That would be Christ Thank you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was."
Your inception not what I meant it to be.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His Name is "One," not
"three."
As I said above it is the crosses of Calvary.
Which is Satan's signature.
Satan put a little man on his cross as a representation to keep him dead
on the Cross and to also represent Jesus is not risen.
but my Lord is no longer on the cross for He is Risen.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
God is not divided.
His name is "one."
His number is "1."
His signature is one cross.
The beast's name is "three," i.e. three persons claiming to be one god, i.e. the
antitrinity.
Their number is "3."
That antichrist is signatured in 3 sixes. "6 6 6"
and you can add that number up from the numbers in his name.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Their signature is three crosses.
THAT'S what was erected at the crucifixion--Satan's signature.
so now you think you have it all worked out to controll other
people by your misunderstandings?
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's name?
Bafoon!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
One of us should have been on one of the other crosses.
But it is Jesus shead blood that has redeemed me today.
Jesus was the bridge between the repentant and the obstinate.
Jesus is the bridge between the Sinners and God the Father.

M, + + +
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The only "tree" that counted was the one in the middle.
Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2007-10-10 12:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by martus
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world power for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???
What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
We are posting in Bible Prophecy.
Yes, we are.
So what does the "was" iteration in Daniel's time have to do with the
"will be" iteration that is yet to come?
Post by Mistylien
The Bible prophesies about that coming antichrist "what was prophesied".
That it does.
Post by Mistylien
That office came into being in 538 AD, "What was fulfilled".
That prophecy was a deficient iteration, a fulfillment of the prophecy in figures.
Antiochus Epiphanes represented antichrist.
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Actually, Daniel prophesied 1290 days, not 1260.

Regardless, those events were "a" fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies, but
obviously not "the" fulfillment of them.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Yeah, but you still haven't explained what you meant by referring to 538 AD.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
I've read it.

I understand it.

Prophecy is fulfilled in iterations.

Now, what does any of that have to do with 1798?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today, "what is".
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
You're talking nonsense: There was nothing in 1929 that had anything to do
with prophecy, either.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Antiochus Epiphanes claimed to be God in the first iteration.

The Caesars claimed to be God in the second iteration.

The third iteration hasn't started yet.

What are you talking about?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
God will bring it to it total end when God sees it is time, "What will be"
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.
The + + + is the best I can do to indicate the 3 crosses of Calvary.
The three crosses of Calvary was Satan raising his signature over God.
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an innocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The only one that counted was the one in the middle.
That would be Christ Thank you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was."
Your inception not what I meant it to be.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
???

What indiscretion?

Satan's signature is three crosses.

That's what the beast raised up on the day the beast crucified Christs.

Why would you want to proclaim Satan's victory (which turned into defeat)?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His
Name is "One," not "three."
As I said above it is the crosses of Calvary.
Which is Satan's signature.
Satan put a little man on his cross as a representation to keep him dead
on the Cross and to also represent Jesus is not risen.
but my Lord is no longer on the cross for He is Risen.
???

Satan raised his signature--three crosses.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
God is not divided.
His name is "one."
His number is "1."
His signature is one cross.
The beast's name is "three," i.e. three persons claiming to be one god,
i.e. the antitrinity.
Their number is "3."
That antichrist is signature in 3 sixes. "6 6 6"
and you can add that number up from the numbers in his name.
Nope.

The antichrist's signature is "Chi Xi Stigma" (as a cross).

That's a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was,"
i.e. three crosses.

The "666" thing is just a diversion. It is significant that the numbers mean
"incomplete, incomplete, incomplete" (as opposed to Holy, Holy, Holy), but
that was never the beast's actual "mark."
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Their signature is three crosses.
THAT'S what was erected at the crucifixion--Satan's signature.
so now you think you have it all worked out to controll other
people by your misunderstandings?
???

I'm correcting your substantial errors.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's name?
Bafoon!
???

I'm pointing you in the right direction and I'm a "bafoon?" (By the way,
it's "buffoon.")
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
One of us should have been on one of the other crosses.
But it is Jesus shead blood that has redeemed me today.
Jesus was the bridge between the repentant and the obstinate.
Jesus is the bridge between the Sinners and God the Father.
Go back and read it again.

On one side of Jesus was the repentant.

On the other side of Jesus was the obstinate.

Jesus is the gateway who separates the two.
Post by Mistylien
M, + + +
What? You WANT to proclaim Satan's name?

Ike
Mistylien
2007-10-11 09:44:56 UTC
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snip
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Actually, Daniel prophesied 1290 days, not 1260.
The 1290 days had a starting date when Jesus was cut off I believe

Dan 12:
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the
abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290
days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end
of the 1,335 days.

Nothing in here about any antichrist that I can see.

but the antichrist would be in power for the prophetic 1260 days
see Revelation 11 and 12 and 13.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Regardless, those events were "a" fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies, but obviously not
"the" fulfillment of them.
either they were or they were not? Which way do you like? this way
or that way?
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Yeah, but you still haven't explained what you meant by referring to 538 AD.
Well there it is in the last Bible passage posted.
That is the Year that "the man of sin" revealed himself as the man self appointed
to sit on the Roman Emperors throne and declair himself to be the papa.
(pope) he was the first pope to take inaugerate that office and one sat on that
office for the nest 1260 Years until it received it deadly wound in 1798 just
as the Bible prophesied it would happen.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
I've read it.
I understand it.
Prophecy is fulfilled in iterations.
Prophecy is fulfilled in the time it is prophesied it would
be fulfilled not in the time you claim it will be.
The Bible has the keys to Prophecy and if you do not use that then
you have no understanding of any lengthe of time of any prophecy.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Now, what does any of that have to do with 1798?
1798 is when that office received it deadly wound and there
was non to sit in that office throne until 1929 when the wound was
Healed.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today,
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
You're talking nonsense: There was nothing in 1929 that had anything to do with
prophecy, either.
Your ignorance does not make it not so, but only in your lack of understanding.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Antiochus Epiphanes claimed to be God in the first iteration.
Every Pope and every RCC priest claims to take the place of the
Son of God.
Have you not ever heard of "THE VICAR OF CHRIST" that the popes all
claim?
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The Caesars claimed to be God in the second iteration.
The third iteration hasn't started yet.
What are you talking about?
I AM TALKING ABOUT BIBLE PROPHECY AND BIBLE PROPHECY
FULFILLED!
Snip the unauthorised orders from you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an innocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
???
What indiscretion?
Satan's signature is three crosses.
That's what the beast raised up on the day the beast crucified Christs.
the beast raised up 3 men on crosses.

But the 3 crosses of Calvary no longer have people on them now do they?
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's victory (which turned into defeat)?
It is the RCC that keep Jesus on their cross.
nope will get you deleted real fast!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The "666" thing is just a diversion. It is significant that the numbers mean
"incomplete, incomplete, incomplete" (as opposed to Holy, Holy, Holy), but that was
never the beast's actual "mark."
You have little understanding of Scripture is what you are showing here and
you have little capacity to learn any part of it other then blaaaaaaaaaaaaaab.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
???
I'm correcting your substantial errors.
get the plank out of your eye before you try to find the spem in others
eyes.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
I'm pointing you in the right direction and I'm a "bafoon?" (By the way, it's
"buffoon.")
what ever, it is arguement not discussion.

Snip the wash out nothingness.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2007-10-11 15:50:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mistylien
snip
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Actually, Daniel prophesied 1290 days, not 1260.
The 1290 days had a starting date when Jesus was cut off I believe
Jesus had nothing to do with the first fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies
between the destruction of the temple in 587 BC and the end of the Maccabean
Revolt in 160 BC.

He came during the second round.
Post by Mistylien
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the
abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290
days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end
of the 1,335 days.
Nothing in here about any antichrist that I can see.
You don't know how to read prophecy.

Prophecy occurs in iterations, then those iterations become the structural
basis for further interpretations.
Post by Mistylien
but the antichrist would be in power for the prophetic 1260 days
see Revelation 11 and 12 and 13.
Which is a separate iteration from what "was" and what "is."
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Regardless, those events were "a" fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies, but
obviously not "the" fulfillment of them.
either they were or they were not? Which way do you like? this way
or that way?
No, it not "this way" OR "that way."

It's "This way," "that way," and "ANOTHER way."

"That which has been is now, and that which is to be has already become, and
God requires that which is past."

This is the triunism of prophecy.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Yeah, but you still haven't explained what you meant by referring to 538 AD.
Well there it is in the last Bible passage posted.
There is nothing in the Bible about 538 AD.
Post by Mistylien
That is the Year that "the man of sin" revealed himself as the man self appointed
to sit on the Roman Emperors throne and declair himself to be the papa.
Nonsense.

Antiochus Epiphanes was the son of perdition in the first iteration.

Judas Iscariot was the son of perdition in the second iteration.

Antichrist will be the son of perdition in the third and final iteration.
Post by Mistylien
(pope) he was the first pope to take inaugerate that office and one sat on that
office for the nest 1260 Years until it received it deadly wound in 1798 just
as the Bible prophesied it would happen.
Hogwash.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
I've read it.
I understand it.
Prophecy is fulfilled in iterations.
Prophecy is fulfilled in the time it is prophesied it would
be fulfilled not in the time you claim it will be.
Nonsense.
Post by Mistylien
The Bible has the keys to Prophecy and if you do not use that then
you have no understanding of any lengthe of time of any prophecy.
I have all the keys.

You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

You're just rehashing the same false accusations that flew back and forth
between the Protestants and the Catholics during the Reformation and
Counter-reformation.

And neither of them knew what the hell they were talking about.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Now, what does any of that have to do with 1798?
1798 is when that office received it deadly wound and there
was non to sit in that office throne until 1929 when the wound was
Healed.
Bullshit.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today,
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
You're talking nonsense: There was nothing in 1929 that had anything to
do with prophecy, either.
Your ignorance does not make it not so, but only in your lack of understanding.
No, the ignorance is all yours, rehashing antichristian bickering that went
on during the Reformation and counter-Reformation, each side falsely
reinterpreting prophecy which ever way they wanted to attack the other side.

God damn your ignorance.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Antiochus Epiphanes claimed to be God in the first iteration.
Every Pope and every RCC priest claims to take the place of the
Son of God.
Forget it.

You're just another hack using prophecy as an excuse to conduct your own
private little personal war.
Post by Mistylien
Have you not ever heard of "THE VICAR OF CHRIST" that the popes all
claim?
Oh, I know their screw-ups.

I know yours, too.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The Caesars claimed to be God in the second iteration.
The third iteration hasn't started yet.
What are you talking about?
I AM TALKING ABOUT BIBLE PROPHECY AND BIBLE PROPHECY
FULFILLED!
Tain't none of it been "fulfilled" yet, hick.
Post by Mistylien
Snip the unauthorised orders from you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an innocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
???
What indiscretion?
Satan's signature is three crosses.
That's what the beast raised up on the day the beast crucified Christs.
the beast raised up 3 men on crosses.
Right.

On HIS signature.
Post by Mistylien
But the 3 crosses of Calvary no longer have people on them now do they?
Doesn't matter, ignorant one: Satan erected his signature--three crosses.

God's signature is one cross, for His Name is ONE.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's victory (which turned into defeat)?
It is the RCC that keep Jesus on their cross.
It is you who keep Jesus out of your heart with your ignorant hatred of what
you don't understand.
Post by Mistylien
nope will get you deleted real fast!
You need to be deleted from the world--you're a throwback to ignorant times
and ignorant sayings.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The "666" thing is just a diversion. It is significant that the numbers
mean "incomplete, incomplete, incomplete" (as opposed to Holy, Holy,
Holy), but that was never the beast's actual "mark."
You have little understanding of Scripture is what you are showing here and
you have little capacity to learn any part of it other then
blaaaaaaaaaaaaaab.
LOL

Thus the ignorant mock the wise.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
???
I'm correcting your substantial errors.
get the plank out of your eye before you try to find the spem in others
eyes.
Hon, you've got a goddamn lumberyard in your eyes.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
I'm pointing you in the right direction and I'm a "bafoon?" (By the way,
it's "buffoon.")
what ever, it is arguement not discussion.
How could one have a discussion with one as ignorant and backwards as you?

Where are your from, anyhow? Tennessee? Got yer coondogs and shotgun handy
in case them thar darn mackerel snappers come to take you away from Jebuz?
Post by Mistylien
Snip the wash out nothingness.
Hey, you want to wallow in ignorance, be my guest.

Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com

******************************

The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")


The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves


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Guardian Snowpheonix
2007-10-12 04:41:56 UTC
Permalink
On Oct 12, 1:50 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
snip
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Actually, Daniel prophesied 1290 days, not 1260.
The 1290 days had a starting date when Jesus was cut off I believe
Jesus had nothing to do with the first fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies
between the destruction of the temple in 587 BC and the end of the Maccabean
Revolt in 160 BC.
He came during the second round.
Post by Mistylien
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the
abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290
days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end
of the 1,335 days.
Nothing in here about any antichrist that I can see.
You don't know how to read prophecy.
Prophecy occurs in iterations, then those iterations become the structural
basis for further interpretations.
Post by Mistylien
but the antichrist would be in power for the prophetic 1260 days
see Revelation 11 and 12 and 13.
Which is a separate iteration from what "was" and what "is."
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Regardless, those events were "a" fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies, but
obviously not "the" fulfillment of them.
either they were or they were not? Which way do you like? this way
or that way?
No, it not "this way" OR "that way."
It's "This way," "that way," and "ANOTHER way."
"That which has been is now, and that which is to be has already become, and
God requires that which is past."
This is the triunism of prophecy.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Yeah, but you still haven't explained what you meant by referring to 538 AD.
Well there it is in the last Bible passage posted.
There is nothing in the Bible about 538 AD.
Post by Mistylien
That is the Year that "the man of sin" revealed himself as the man self appointed
to sit on the Roman Emperors throne and declair himself to be the papa.
Nonsense.
Antiochus Epiphanes was the son of perdition in the first iteration.
Judas Iscariot was the son of perdition in the second iteration.
Antichrist will be the son of perdition in the third and final iteration.
Post by Mistylien
(pope) he was the first pope to take inaugerate that office and one sat on that
office for the nest 1260 Years until it received it deadly wound in 1798 just
as the Bible prophesied it would happen.
Hogwash.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
I've read it.
I understand it.
Prophecy is fulfilled in iterations.
Prophecy is fulfilled in the time it is prophesied it would
be fulfilled not in the time you claim it will be.
Nonsense.
Post by Mistylien
The Bible has the keys to Prophecy and if you do not use that then
you have no understanding of any lengthe of time of any prophecy.
I have all the keys.
You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
You're just rehashing the same false accusations that flew back and forth
between the Protestants and the Catholics during the Reformation and
Counter-reformation.
And neither of them knew what the hell they were talking about.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Now, what does any of that have to do with 1798?
1798 is when that office received it deadly wound and there
was non to sit in that office throne until 1929 when the wound was
Healed.
Bullshit.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today,
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
You're talking nonsense: There was nothing in 1929 that had anything to
do with prophecy, either.
Your ignorance does not make it not so, but only in your lack of understanding.
No, the ignorance is all yours, rehashing antichristian bickering that went
on during the Reformation and counter-Reformation, each side falsely
reinterpreting prophecy which ever way they wanted to attack the other side.
God damn your ignorance.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Antiochus Epiphanes claimed to be God in the first iteration.
Every Pope and every RCC priest claims to take the place of the
Son of God.
Forget it.
You're just another hack using prophecy as an excuse to conduct your own
private little personal war.
Post by Mistylien
Have you not ever heard of "THE VICAR OF CHRIST" that the popes all
claim?
Oh, I know their screw-ups.
I know yours, too.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The Caesars claimed to be God in the second iteration.
The third iteration hasn't started yet.
What are you talking about?
I AM TALKING ABOUT BIBLE PROPHECY AND BIBLE PROPHECY
FULFILLED!
Tain't none of it been "fulfilled" yet, hick.
Post by Mistylien
Snip the unauthorised orders from you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an innocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
???
What indiscretion?
Satan's signature is three crosses.
That's what the beast raised up on the day the beast crucified Christs.
the beast raised up 3 men on crosses.
Right.
On HIS signature.
Post by Mistylien
But the 3 crosses of Calvary no longer have people on them now do they?
Doesn't matter, ignorant one: Satan erected his signature--three crosses.
God's signature is one cross, for His Name is ONE.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's victory (which turned into defeat)?
It is the RCC that keep Jesus on their cross.
It is you who keep Jesus out of your heart with your ignorant hatred of what
you don't understand.
Post by Mistylien
nope will get you deleted real fast!
You need to be deleted from the world--you're a throwback to ignorant times
and ignorant sayings.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The "666" thing is just a diversion. It is significant that the numbers
mean "incomplete, incomplete, incomplete" (as opposed to Holy, Holy,
Holy), but that was never the beast's actual "mark."
You have little understanding of Scripture is what you are showing here and
you have little capacity to learn any part of it other then
blaaaaaaaaaaaaaab.
LOL
Thus the ignorant mock the wise.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
???
I'm correcting your substantial errors.
get the plank out of your eye before you try to find the spem in others
eyes.
Hon, you've got a goddamn lumberyard in your eyes.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
I'm pointing you in the right direction and I'm a "bafoon?" (By the way,
it's "buffoon.")
what ever, it is arguement not discussion.
How could one have a discussion with one as ignorant and backwards as you?
Where are your from, anyhow? Tennessee? Got yer coondogs and shotgun handy
in case them thar darn mackerel snappers come to take you away from Jebuz?
Post by Mistylien
Snip the wash out nothingness.
Hey, you want to wallow in ignorance, be my guest.
Ike
--www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
******************************
Wow, I never noticed that but then I never bothered to look up the
Greek before and your right. Even more interesting is when you
consider that the Messiah wasn't crucified on a cross but impaled on a
stake made out of a green tree.

Luk 23:31 "Because if they do this to the green tree, what is going to
be done to the dry tree?"

Mar 15:32 "The Messiah? The Sovereign of Yisra' l? Come down now from
the stake, so that we see and believe." And those who were impaled
with Him were reproaching Him.

http://www.isr-messianic.org/

Guardian SnowPheonix

is Six hundred threescore and six. 5516
G5516

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek
alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers;
denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred
threescore and six.
Guardian Snowpheonix
2007-10-12 04:27:37 UTC
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On Oct 10, 10:01 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by martus
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world power for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???
What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
We are posting in Bible Prophecy.
Yes, we are.
So what does the "was" iteration in Daniel's time have to do with the
"will be" iteration that is yet to come?
Post by Mistylien
The Bible prophesies about that coming antichrist "what was prophesied".
That it does.
Post by Mistylien
That office came into being in 538 AD, "What was fulfilled".
That prophecy was a deficient iteration, a fulfillment of the prophecy in figures.
Antiochus Epiphanes represented antichrist.
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Actually, Daniel prophesied 1290 days, not 1260.
Regardless, those events were "a" fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies, but
obviously not "the" fulfillment of them.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Yeah, but you still haven't explained what you meant by referring to 538 AD.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
I've read it.
I understand it.
Prophecy is fulfilled in iterations.
Now, what does any of that have to do with 1798?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today, "what is".
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
You're talking nonsense: There was nothing in 1929 that had anything to do
with prophecy, either.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Antiochus Epiphanes claimed to be God in the first iteration.
The Caesars claimed to be God in the second iteration.
The third iteration hasn't started yet.
What are you talking about?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
God will bring it to it total end when God sees it is time, "What will be"
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.
The + + + is the best I can do to indicate the 3 crosses of Calvary.
The three crosses of Calvary was Satan raising his signature over God.
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an innocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The only one that counted was the one in the middle.
That would be Christ Thank you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a
cross that "was."
Your inception not what I meant it to be.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
???
What indiscretion?
Satan's signature is three crosses.
That's what the beast raised up on the day the beast crucified Christs.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's victory (which turned into defeat)?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His
Name is "One," not "three."
As I said above it is the crosses of Calvary.
Which is Satan's signature.
Satan put a little man on his cross as a representation to keep him dead
on the Cross and to also represent Jesus is not risen.
but my Lord is no longer on the cross for He is Risen.
???
Satan raised his signature--three crosses.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
God is not divided.
His name is "one."
His number is "1."
His signature is one cross.
The beast's name is "three," i.e. three persons claiming to be one god,
i.e. the antitrinity.
Their number is "3."
That antichrist is signature in 3 sixes. "6 6 6"
and you can add that number up from the numbers in his name.
Nope.
The antichrist's signature is "Chi Xi Stigma" (as a cross).
That's a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was,"
i.e. three crosses.
The "666" thing is just a diversion. It is significant that the numbers mean
"incomplete, incomplete, incomplete" (as opposed to Holy, Holy, Holy), but
that was never the beast's actual "mark."
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Their signature is three crosses.
THAT'S what was erected at the crucifixion--Satan's signature.
so now you think you have it all worked out to controll other
people by your misunderstandings?
???
I'm correcting your substantial errors.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's name?
Bafoon!
???
I'm pointing you in the right direction and I'm a "bafoon?" (By the way,
it's "buffoon.")
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
One of us should have been on one of the other crosses.
But it is Jesus shead blood that has redeemed me today.
Jesus was the bridge between the repentant and the obstinate.
Jesus is the bridge between the Sinners and God the Father.
Go back and read it again.
On one side of Jesus was the repentant.
On the other side of Jesus was the obstinate.
Jesus is the gateway who separates the two.
Post by Mistylien
M, + + +
What? You WANT to proclaim Satan's name?
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That just made a lot of sence to me since I came to understand that
Jesus was put on a cross at all but impaled on a stake!

Mar 15:32 "The Messiah? The Sovereign of Yisra' l? Come down now from
the stake, so that we see and believe." And those who were impaled
with Him were reproaching Him.
Guardian Snowpheonix
2007-10-12 04:34:57 UTC
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On Oct 10, 10:01 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
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Post by martus
Daniel 8:23
New Living Translation (NLT)
At the end of their rule, when their sin is at its height, a fierce
king, a master of intrigue, will rise to power.
If you will check your larger Church History you may find exactly
whom and when that office came into world power and was in
world power for the time, time and half time as prophesied
before it received its deadly wound.
Post by martus
Daniel 11:36
New Living Translation (NLT)
The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be
greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will
succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has
been determined will surely take place
When was that Prophesied?
When was it fulfilled in the last 2,000 years?
See 2 Thess 2:3 for more prophecy about that fellow.
Post by martus
******And at the state of this world where porn is a flood, the
continued messing up of the species, the continued killings in reality
and the virtual word, who is it that says when he becomes king he will
be the "Defender of the Faiths". This Antichrist of the global world
is none other than Prince .......!
NO! You will need to go much farther back in Church history then
Princey poo that you want to blame.
Like you will have to go way back to about year 538 AD to see when
that anti office came into being.
???
What does "what was," have to do with what "is," and what "will be?"
We are posting in Bible Prophecy.
Yes, we are.
So what does the "was" iteration in Daniel's time have to do with the
"will be" iteration that is yet to come?
Post by Mistylien
The Bible prophesies about that coming antichrist "what was prophesied".
That it does.
Post by Mistylien
That office came into being in 538 AD, "What was fulfilled".
That prophecy was a deficient iteration, a fulfillment of the prophecy in
figures.
Antiochus Epiphanes represented antichrist.
Did his office go on for the prophesied 1260 days??
Actually, Daniel prophesied 1290 days, not 1260.
Regardless, those events were "a" fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies, but
obviously not "the" fulfillment of them.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Maccabeus represent christ.
Only Jesus Christ represents Christ!
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Jason represented the false prophet.
I have not found the 'false prophet' yet . sorry.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
So what?
The prophecy wasn't "fulfilled" as in its ultimate iteration.
It was just a figure.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 says it will be a "man of sin" and that he
would be revealed at a prophesied time.
Yeah, but you still haven't explained what you meant by referring to 538 AD.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
It received it's deadly wound in 1798, the time, times and half time
long as The Bible propehsied.
Nonsense.
Read and make a better understanding of God's Word.
I've read it.
I understand it.
Prophecy is fulfilled in iterations.
Now, what does any of that have to do with 1798?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
The wound was healed in 1929 and that
beastly antichrist sect is still with us today, "what is".
Nonsense.
Read all about it in History.
You're talking nonsense: There was nothing in 1929 that had anything to do
with prophecy, either.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition" in the "is" iteration.
The Man of sin was the human that make the big attempt to stand
in for God's son.
Antiochus Epiphanes claimed to be God in the first iteration.
The Caesars claimed to be God in the second iteration.
The third iteration hasn't started yet.
What are you talking about?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
God will bring it to it total end when God sees it is time, "What will be"
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
+ + +
And quit signing your letters with the mark of the beast.
The + + + is the best I can do to indicate the 3 crosses of Calvary.
The three crosses of Calvary was Satan raising his signature over God.
The 3 Crosses of Calvary stands for an innocent man dying for the guilty
men.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
The only one that counted was the one in the middle.
That would be Christ Thank you.
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
"Chi Xi Stigma" = a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a
cross that "was."
Your inception not what I meant it to be.
Your indiscression is not what I was representing it to be.
???
What indiscretion?
Satan's signature is three crosses.
That's what the beast raised up on the day the beast crucified Christs.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's victory (which turned into defeat)?
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
There is only one cross that counts--the one in the middle, for His
Name is "One," not "three."
As I said above it is the crosses of Calvary.
Which is Satan's signature.
Satan put a little man on his cross as a representation to keep him dead
on the Cross and to also represent Jesus is not risen.
but my Lord is no longer on the cross for He is Risen.
???
Satan raised his signature--three crosses.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
God is not divided.
His name is "one."
His number is "1."
His signature is one cross.
The beast's name is "three," i.e. three persons claiming to be one god,
i.e. the antitrinity.
Their number is "3."
That antichrist is signature in 3 sixes. "6 6 6"
and you can add that number up from the numbers in his name.
Nope.
The antichrist's signature is "Chi Xi Stigma" (as a cross).
That's a cross that "is," a cross that "will be," and a cross that "was,"
i.e. three crosses.
The "666" thing is just a diversion. It is significant that the numbers mean
"incomplete, incomplete, incomplete" (as opposed to Holy, Holy, Holy), but
that was never the beast's actual "mark."
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Their signature is three crosses.
THAT'S what was erected at the crucifixion--Satan's signature.
so now you think you have it all worked out to controll other
people by your misunderstandings?
???
I'm correcting your substantial errors.
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why would you want to proclaim Satan's name?
Bafoon!
???
I'm pointing you in the right direction and I'm a "bafoon?" (By the way,
it's "buffoon.")
Post by Mistylien
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Post by Mistylien
One of us should have been on one of the other crosses.
But it is Jesus shead blood that has redeemed me today.
Jesus was the bridge between the repentant and the obstinate.
Jesus is the bridge between the Sinners and God the Father.
Go back and read it again.
On one side of Jesus was the repentant.
On the other side of Jesus was the obstinate.
Jesus is the gateway who separates the two.
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M, + + +
What? You WANT to proclaim Satan's name?
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The antichrist's signature is "Chi Xi Stigma" (as a cross).


That just made a lot of sense to me since I came to understand that
Jesus wasn't put on a cross at all but impaled on a stake!

Mar 15:32 "The Messiah? The Sovereign of Yisra' l? Come down now from
the stake, so that we see and believe." And those who were impaled
with Him were reproaching Him.

Luk 23:31 "Because if they do this to the green tree, what is going to
be done to the dry tree?"

http://www.isr-messianic.org/

Guardian SnowPheonix
Vernono O
2007-10-12 15:22:59 UTC
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"martus" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

"THE" Antichrist??????
which one is that?
There are hundreds in every generation. (Per the Bible)
Vernono O
2007-10-13 15:12:42 UTC
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"THE" Antichrist??????
which one is that?
There are hundreds in every generation. (Per the Bible)
Still no answers to who is "The" Antichrist.?????????

The Bible say may in every generation.


ANSWER
There is no "THE Antichrist.
nwd
2007-10-13 15:35:55 UTC
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Post by Vernono O
"THE" Antichrist??????
which one is that?
There are hundreds in every generation. (Per the Bible)
Still no answers to who is "The" Antichrist.?????????
The Bible say may in every generation.
ANSWER
There is no "THE Antichrist.
nwd:
Sure there is. God would not say it if it were not so. You are not
looking in the right places to understand.

11 And he said to me, "To build a house for it in the land of Shinar;
when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base."
Zech 5:11 (NKJV)

The above verse is speaking of Babylon in Iraq. Muslems surround The
Holyland and Jerusalem, NOT the RCC.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The
inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their
God.' 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan
in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall
devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left,
but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place--Jerusalem.
Zech 12:5-6 (NKJV)

Go read ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ at www.zionministry.com

And stop wallowing in your ignorance!
Vernono O
2007-10-13 18:06:10 UTC
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Post by Vernono O
Post by Vernono O
"THE" Antichrist??????
which one is that?
There are hundreds in every generation. (Per the Bible)
Still no answers to who is "The" Antichrist.?????????
The Bible say may in every generation.
ANSWER
There is no "THE Antichrist.
Sure there is. God would not say it if it were not so. You are not
looking in the right places to understand.
11 And he said to me, "To build a house for it in the land of Shinar;
when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base."
Zech 5:11 (NKJV)
The above verse is speaking of Babylon in Iraq. Muslems surround The
Holyland and Jerusalem, NOT the RCC.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The
inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their
God.' 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan
in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall
devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left,
but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place--Jerusalem.
Zech 12:5-6 (NKJV)
Go read ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ at www.zionministry.com
And stop wallowing in your ignorance!
No mention in the Bible of "THE" Antichrist.
nwd
2007-10-13 20:43:25 UTC
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Post by Vernono O
Post by Vernono O
"THE" Antichrist??????
which one is that?
There are hundreds in every generation. (Per the Bible)
Still no answers to who is "The" Antichrist.?????????
The Bible say may in every generation.
ANSWER
There is no "THE Antichrist.
Sure there is. God would not say it if it were not so. You are not
looking in the right places to understand.
11 And he said to me, "To build a house for it in the land of Shinar;
when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base."
Zech 5:11 (NKJV)
The above verse is speaking of Babylon in Iraq. Muslems surround The
Holyland and Jerusalem, NOT the RCC.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The
inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their
God.' 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan
in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall
devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left,
but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place--Jerusalem.
Zech 12:5-6 (NKJV)
Go read ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ atwww.zionministry.com
And stop wallowing in your ignorance!
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3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of ~the~ Antichrist,
which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1
John 4:3-4 (NKJV)

The anti-christ is a movement, just as Christianity is. The one in
control of this movement is the dragon (satan).

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to
you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
Rev 12:12 (NKJV)

Time is so short, you need to learn all you can. By time being short I
mean you could not learn in a lifetiime all there is. There's a group
of people, called the Brotherhood, that may be willing to help
you....go to them.

www.zionministry.com

This dragon will give his power to the
Vernono O
2007-10-13 21:22:35 UTC
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Post by nwd
Post by Vernono O
Post by Vernono O
"THE" Antichrist??????
which one is that?
There are hundreds in every generation. (Per the Bible)
Still no answers to who is "The" Antichrist.?????????
The Bible say may in every generation.
ANSWER
There is no "THE Antichrist.
Sure there is. God would not say it if it were not so. You are not
looking in the right places to understand.
11 And he said to me, "To build a house for it in the land of Shinar;
when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base."
Zech 5:11 (NKJV)
The above verse is speaking of Babylon in Iraq. Muslems surround The
Holyland and Jerusalem, NOT the RCC.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The
inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their
God.' 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan
in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall
devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left,
but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place--Jerusalem.
Zech 12:5-6 (NKJV)
Go read ~Habakkuk Identifies Babylon~ atwww.zionministry.com
And stop wallowing in your ignorance!
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3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of ~the~ Antichrist,
which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1
John 4:3-4 (NKJV)
The anti-christ is a movement, just as Christianity is. The one in
control of this movement is the dragon (satan).
12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to
you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
Rev 12:12 (NKJV)
Time is so short, you need to learn all you can. By time being short I
mean you could not learn in a lifetiime all there is. There's a group
of people, called the Brotherhood, that may be willing to help
you....go to them.
www.zionministry.com
This dragon will give his power to the
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